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guysmiley:
I have been searching the forums regrading the subject of the iPod Classic for a while now. Most of the results I have found have been topics where a user has asked a question, and been replied to with answers like "this question has been asked before" and "please search the forums before posting". Please do not tell me off, I'm new here, and doing my best.

After sifting though all the information. I have guested that Rockbox will not, and will never work with the iPod Classic. Is this information correct?

I think that this is not good enough. It is in my opinion that it is essential for Rockbox to work on the iPod Classic. It is essential because we should not be dictated to by Apple. We should have the freedom of choice when it comes down to what software we use, and what operating system we use.

Rockbox has done a very good job so far. But users that require more capacity out of a small light weight device are forced to either use a Windows or Mac machine with iTunes, or settle for less capacity and carry around less than half there music collection. This is sad because it is obvious we have the technology. And therefore should not have to do without. This is an outrage.

I'm not pointing the finger at Rockbox here. I do believe that if it was doable it would be done. But I can't help but feel that we can do something about this. Is it a matter of fund-raising  and hiring skilled programmers? I don't know. Anyone else out there who feels that same as I do feel free to reply and maybe we can fight for this one.

If I have the wrong end of the stick please someone let me know.

Could someone please tell me what the highest capacity iPod is that Rockbox will work on. How do I identify it. I'm looking for support for Ogg and FLAC mostly. Sound quality is important to me also.

Thanks.

AlexP:
The list of supported models is on the front page of www.rockbox.org and as you can see for that the largest supported iPod is the 80 Gb video.  There is a page somewhere on the apple website that tells you how to identify models.

The new iPods have new, completely undocumented hardware.  That is hard enough to write code for.  Additionally the firmware is completely encrypted.  No-one has found an exploit yet.  If an exploit is not found, then it will not happen, end of story.  

I'd like to see it happen as much as anyone, but it just isn't that easy.  Either Apple/Samsung (I think the new iPods use Samsung SoCs) gives us the docs (don't hold your breath) or someone locates a hitherto unfound exploit.

GodEater:
Even finding an exploit would still make the process extremely lengthy. All that gives you is a way to execute code which Apple have not approved. But what code do you then run? You can't disassemble the existing firmware because of the encryption, so you don't even have that method of working backwards to find out how to tell the hardware to do things.

In short - funding and getting coders better than we have already (which would be nigh on impossible - in my experience they're about the best you'll find anywhere) won't make a blind bit of difference.

AlexP:

--- Quote from: GodEater on November 30, 2007, 08:48:26 AM ---Even finding an exploit would still make the process extremely lengthy. All that gives you is a way to execute code which Apple have not approved. But what code do you then run? You can't disassemble the existing firmware because of the encryption, so you don't even have that method of working backwards to find out how to tell the hardware to do things.

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This is very true, but first things first.


--- Quote from: GodEater on November 30, 2007, 08:48:26 AM ---In short - funding and getting coders better than we have already (which would be nigh on impossible - in my experience they're about the best you'll find anywhere) won't make a blind bit of difference.

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I wholeheartedly agree.

Llorean:
The issue is more that it is a VERY long, and QUITE difficult process to get Rockbox running on a target. It requires, generally speaking, not only someone talented, but someone who has a dedication to that specific target for one reason or another.

What this means for the iPod classic is that your better bet is to find programmers who already own the classic, love it, but want more from it, than people who already own other players, love them, and already have Rockbox on them and are currently interested in improving Rockbox on those players.

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