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Problems with the TOS
cool_walking_:
--- Quote from: zajacattack on November 27, 2007, 08:07:30 PM ---
--- Quote ---You're arguably the most obnoxious and consistently irrelevant poster in that forum though. It'd be one thing if you'd had a few bad posts, but by my count, I ended up deleting something like 30-40 of your posts over the span of months, mostly because they just asked something that had already been explained, didn't ask or say anything, or just plain didn't make sense. Seems to me the problem is you posting in that forum, not us deleting your posts. I'm sorry you don't like it, but deleting contentless posts keeps threads from becoming unreadable.
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I believe the rules for this debate was to be respectful, like the TOS says, yet you are not abiding by that. Hypocrite!
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What?? I thought that was a very polite way of putting it. Just because you don't like the content, doesn't mean it's irrespectful. It's like saying "faeces" instead of "s***".
saratoga:
--- Quote from: zajacattack on November 27, 2007, 08:23:15 PM ---
--- Quote ---You're arguably the most obnoxious and consistently irrelevant poster in that forum though. It'd be one thing if you'd had a few bad posts, but by my count, I ended up deleting something like 30-40 of your posts over the span of months, mostly because they just asked something that had already been explained, didn't ask or say anything, or just plain didn't make sense. Seems to me the problem is you posting in that forum, not us deleting your posts. I'm sorry you don't like it, but deleting contentless posts keeps threads from becoming unreadable.
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Another thing. I believe you are forgetting that I did end up being the first to get e200tool to work on Windows, and that I was the first to rockbox my e280R in Windows. I'm not trying to brag; I'm simply pointing out that I would never had done that had it not been for some of the questions I asked in that thread.
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Yes, but you could just as well have figured out a way to compile that program if you hadn't spent months annoying the rest of us.
--- Quote from: zajacattack on November 27, 2007, 08:23:15 PM ---
--- Quote ---It'd be kind of hard for me to be both respectful and truthful here.
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Then, why do you expect that of the users of the forum?
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I don't.
Llorean:
Saratoga: I did ask that the tone stay as respectful as possible. Calling him "obnoxious" was probably out of line for that, since it was irrelevant to the discussion at hand. People can be annoying, but it doesn't change whether the content of their posts are relevant or not. The fact that his posts were irrelevant and obnoxious (to you) doesn't matter, just the irrelevant portion does here.
zajacattack:
--- Quote from: saratoga on November 27, 2007, 08:44:51 PM ---
--- Quote from: zajacattack on November 27, 2007, 08:23:15 PM ---
--- Quote ---It'd be kind of hard for me to be both respectful and truthful here.
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Then, why do you expect that of the users of the forum?
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I don't.
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Doesn't this just illustrate my point even more? Many of the "experts" here who have problems with others breaking the TOS seem to think that it's OK for them to break it.
I still stand by my statement that either (1) the TOS need to be fixed or (2) the many of the mods need to be more polite and helpful and less rude and hypocritical.
Also, saratoga, how can you expect others to be respectful when you yourself set a horrible example? Your insults continue to prove my point that the mods need to relax and not be so uptight about the rules because they themselves often break the rules. No one is perfect and cannot be expected to be such.
--- Quote ---Yes, but you could just as well have figured out a way to compile that program if you hadn't spent months annoying the rest of us.
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OK, now this illustrates my previous point that many of the Rockbox devs can't stand it when an outsider figures something out; they want to keep it among themselves. You just want to look for any excuse that makes what I did less important. You fail to grasp that concept that my "meaningless" questions actually ended up helping me who ended up helping develop a way for this to work on Windows. You want to undermine everyone who isn't an official Rockbox dev. Just because the questions seem "meaningless" to you doesn't mean that they can't end up being helpful.
Yotto:
I believe the only solution is to have a dedicated person who scans the forums all day and, when a question is asked that is in the manual, that person opens the manual, finds the answer, gets the link, and posts that link in the forum. This person should also be able to handle any repeat questions by finding the correct thread in the forum, and direct the poster there.
Also, when someone asks a non-rockbox related question our dedicated person should search the internet to find the best place to ask, and direct the person there with a link. If there's time, our dedicated person should log into that forum, ask the question, and get the answer to save the original person's time.
As the one most passionate about this topic, zajacattack, I think nobody is better suited for the task than you.
For my part, I've been (and quit being) a moderator in forums with no clear rules, and I have to say I'm a bit jealous of the setup here. I'd have loved to be able to actually point at a clear Terms of Service agreement when someone got out of line. "Out of line" is a bit stricter here than it is on other sites, but this isn't a social forum, it's a technical one, and more is expected from the users of a technical forum. It's just the way it goes.
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