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Problems with the TOS
saratoga:
--- Quote from: zajacattack on November 27, 2007, 08:07:30 PM ---For one thing, it's not just that. I've asked questions and have been trying to contribute for a while now; however, I am often times simply scolded at for asking or suggesting ideas.
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Maybe you should complain about those instances then instead of ranting about everything inbetween.
--- Quote from: zajacattack on November 27, 2007, 08:07:30 PM --- Any help I offer is shot down. Could you explain why?
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Well, with regard to the e200r thread, which is the only thread of yours I can recall reading, it was shot down because you lacked the skills to contribute in any productive way.
--- Quote from: zajacattack on November 27, 2007, 08:07:30 PM ---Also, I believe the rules for this debate was to be respectful, like the TOS says, yet you are not abiding by that. Hypocrite!
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I don't believe they do actually. And anyway, pointing out something like this should probably be exempt, since you brought up the topic of posting quality. It'd be kind of hard for me to be both respectful and truthful here.
zajacattack:
--- Quote ---You're arguably the most obnoxious and consistently irrelevant poster in that forum though. It'd be one thing if you'd had a few bad posts, but by my count, I ended up deleting something like 30-40 of your posts over the span of months, mostly because they just asked something that had already been explained, didn't ask or say anything, or just plain didn't make sense. Seems to me the problem is you posting in that forum, not us deleting your posts. I'm sorry you don't like it, but deleting contentless posts keeps threads from becoming unreadable.
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Another thing. I believe you are forgetting that I did end up being the first to get e200tool to work on Windows, and that I was the first to rockbox my e280R in Windows. I'm not trying to brag; I'm simply pointing out that I would never had done that had it not been for some of the questions I asked in that thread.
--- Quote ---You honestly want me to believe that the ability to type something in Google is something you expect us to explain to users on a regular basis? Or hitting Ctrl+F or equivalent in their PDF viewer? Do you expect us to give explanations for every possible method they could read our manual, in every type of software that can interpret HTML, PDF, tex, and raw text? Searching is a basic computer use skill, far, far below "Installing an alternative firmware on your MP3 player."
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I can't believe that you assume that users know so much. The human race is decaying. Why do you think so many video games and programs (e.g. vista) end up removing things for user friendliness? Because it's easier to do that than to have to deal with ignorant users. If you made a "How to effectively search" thread, I'm sure that at least one person would read it, and that one person would have a much less chance of posting an inappropriate question. That could lead to less cluttering of the forums and less work for the mods. Why are you so against this?
--- Quote ---It'd be kind of hard for me to be both respectful and truthful here.
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Then, why do you expect that of the users of the forum?
Llorean:
--- Quote ---That could lead to less cluttering of the forums and less work for the mods. Why are you so against this?
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Because "How to search" is not a Rockbox question. The internet is FULL of information about how to search if someone wants to know it. Of course, they'd have to search. They'd also have to search to find it here. What good does repeating the information do, if the only people it would help are the people who wouldn't read it in the first place?
I had a link to the famous "How to ask questions the smart way" essay in my signature for over a year. Yet many of the people I conversed with showed no evidence of ever reading it. Wouldn't "How to ask questions" be even more important than "How to search"?
zajacattack:
--- Quote ---Because "How to search" is not a Rockbox question. The internet is FULL of information about how to search if someone wants to know it. Of course, they'd have to search. They'd also have to search to find it here. What good does repeating the information do, if the only people it would help are the people who wouldn't read it in the first place?
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And, yet, there are stickies on how to request features, how to report bugs, the forum code of conduct, etc. Following your logic, these should be taken down too; they aren't helping who they are supposed to.
--- Quote ---I had a link to the famous "How to ask questions the smart way" essay in my signature for over a year. Yet many of the people I conversed with showed no evidence of ever reading it. Wouldn't "How to ask questions" be even more important than "How to search"?
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Yet, you removed this from your signature. Did you known people didn't read it? Did you know that people were ignoring it? It probably did help because the people who read it probably searched, found an answer, and didn't ask.
Llorean:
"How to request features" is important because Rockbox has a very specific feature request process. Searching is a general skill relevant to the entire internet. The entire internet, on the other hand, does not have a standardized feature request process that people can learn about elsewhere. Nor does it have a standardize bug report process. So, this information is relevant to people who *are* willing to read documentation, search, and find it.
While you cannot search for information on how to search if you honestly don't know how, being unable to file a bug report does not hinder you in an effort to search for information on how to file one.
As for my removing it from my signature: Signatures have a maximum size. I couldn't fit it any more. Simple as that. I never said people didn't read it. I merely said MANY people showed no evidence of having read it. Many other people actually asked intelligent questions, and could've read it. Or might not have, and just behaved well in the first place.
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