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Problems with the TOS
scorche:
--- Quote from: zajacattack on November 27, 2007, 07:50:42 PM ---1) What is so hard about taking a little time to point the user in the right direction(s) rather than just telling him that he shouldn't post here?
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Most of the threads you linked us even show us doing that...
--- Quote ---3) An excellent point. Then, why not start a sticky that explains how to effectively search and point the user to that?
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but according to you a few posts ago, we shouldn't ever expect anyone to actually read it, correct?
--- Quote --- Directing someone who is lost is better than just telling him he is lost, wouldn't you say?
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see above
--- Quote ---4) No, it is unacceptable for one to be irresponsible. However, ASSUMING one is or will be responsible is a problem.
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So you would rather us expect the worst from the people instead of the best?
--- Quote ---ASSUMING one has read the TOS and/or guidelines is a bad idea.
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We assume that because they told us they did by hitting the button. Should we instead assume people are lying?
--- Quote ---Also, the mods are sometimes hypocritical. It is OK to say BL (for bootloader), OF (original firmware), mods (moderators), admins (administrators), etc., but when someone says "thx" or "u" or "4", it's the end of the world because they're "breaking the TOS."
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Most of these are accepted abbreviations. Surely you wouldn't say "Central Processing Unit" every single time you are referring to a CPU.
Llorean:
1) If the right direction is "Not our site", how are we supposed to magically know where they can find relevant info? Am I supposed to know the whole internet so that when someone asks a non-rockbox question I can answer?
2) That's about the e200, not the e200R. And I read every single post in the Rockbox forums, so as far as "what's relevant here" goes, my statement was 100% true: Among people who've screwed up their devices, and talked about it here, this is the case. Your statement about the e200R is also covered by my statement there. Note that I clearly said "and not stopping to ask for help" when something unexpected happens. This means if the instructions are wrong, and something unexpected happens, THEY KEEP GOING rather than stopping and asking. So your point in refute is actually completely invalid based on the source material.
3) So, what you're saying is that we should point people to possibly irrelevant documentation (how to search) rather than absolutely relevant documentation (the manual)? How is it our job to teach them basic skills like "how to type something in the 'search' box"?
4) Actually, "TOS" and "mod" are not acceptable, but I figured that you would complain if I called you on them here, so my intention was to simply make you correct them after all this was done. As for OF and BL, these are considered technical terms, but really are a gray area. "Thx" and "U" aren't parts of any language, and cannot be looked up. OF and BL are frequently referenced and defined in Rockbox related discussion. Here you're simply quibbling, as it would be obvious that if we couldn't define some words as exceptions "Rockbox" would also be unacceptable. "Thx" and "U" serve no purpose other than laziness, and cause problems for non-English speakers. "OF" and "BL" have definitions as specific nouns in the scope of the project, along with WPS, 1G, 2G, 3G, 4G, and similar.
zajacattack:
--- Quote ---You're arguably the most obnoxious and consistently irrelevant poster in that forum though. It'd be one thing if you'd had a few bad posts, but by my count, I ended up deleting something like 30-40 of your posts over the span of months, mostly because they just asked something that had already been explained, didn't ask or say anything, or just plain didn't make sense. Seems to me the problem is you posting in that forum, not us deleting your posts. I'm sorry you don't like it, but deleting contentless posts keeps threads from becoming unreadable.
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For one thing, it's not just that. I've asked questions and have been trying to contribute for a while now; however, I am often times simply scolded at for asking or suggesting ideas. Any help I offer is shot down. Could you explain why?
Also, I believe the rules for this debate was to be respectful, like the TOS says, yet you are not abiding by that. Hypocrite!
--- Quote ---but according to you a few posts ago, we shouldn't ever expect anyone to actually read it, correct?
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Maybe they won't. But you seem to think the TOS helps even though no one reads it, so, following your logic, why not start a sticky? You could assume that people read it.
--- Quote ---So you would rather us expect the worst from the people instead of the best?
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Yes, that's exactly what you should do. Expecting the best is what leads to problems. If you expect that he/she hasn't read the TOS, you can then more calmly point the issue out and politely inform them what they have broken rather than assuming they know they are violating the TOS.
--- Quote ---We assume that because they told us they did by hitting the button. Should we instead assume people are lying?
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Yes, because not many people take the time to read it. They just want help and register quickly.
--- Quote ---These are accepted abbreviations. Surely you wouldn't say "Central Processing Unit" every single time you are referring to a CPU.
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Then, what constitutes an accepted abbreviations. That is a flimsy argument because "accepted" is very vague and relative.
--- Quote ---How is it our job to teach them basic skills like "how to type something in the 'search' box"?
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Since when is it your job to be unhelpful? Aren't mods supposed to help>
--- Quote ---http://www.rockbox.org/tw...view/Main/ProjectGlossary
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You are again assuming that the user knows to go here to look up information.
scorche:
http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ProjectGlossary
Llorean:
--- Quote ---Since when is it your job to be unhelpful? Aren't mods supposed to help>
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You honestly want me to believe that the ability to type something in Google is something you expect us to explain to users on a regular basis? Or hitting Ctrl+F or equivalent in their PDF viewer? Do you expect us to give explanations for every possible method they could read our manual, in every type of software that can interpret HTML, PDF, tex, and raw text? Searching is a basic computer use skill, far, far below "Installing an alternative firmware on your MP3 player."
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