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Problems with the TOS
zajacattack:
--- Quote from: Febs on November 27, 2007, 06:32:51 PM ---I think that if you look carefully, you will find that we are very tolerant of non-English speakers who make an effort to use proper English. What we do not tolerate, and never will as long as I have anything to say about the matter, is native English speakers who deliberately butcher the language.
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I would say, that is really very frustrating on many users parts. Many users don't have time to write out a perfectly spelled right, grammatically correct post. This is removing user friendliness. And, since when is Rockbox so formal. This is a place to ask for help and suggest ideas. Why is it SO NECESSARY that everyone be perfect in their English. This is probably one of the few forums I know of that enforces correct English so heavily, and it ends up drawing away users.
pixelma:
This thread title is a perfect example as to why the rules are there and make sense...
I'm not a native English speaker and did not know this abbreviation and so was forced to look it up in wikipedia and/or read the post to understand it in the context (and by the way, it could have to do with "toslink" which you could also have problems with on a rockboxed H100).
In my opinion these forum needs the rules to stay readable and accessible to all and that can only be achieved by enforcing the rules. I can't remember reading about someone who was yelled at, as you say, just for accidentally breaking the rules - I just remember few occasions when a simple "read the rules" reply turned into a bit lengthy and tougher discussion about the rules where I thought that these could have been avoidable by also stating the reason for the rules in short words or just ignoring - but that became more seldom recently.
P.S. I don't think that setting up different language forums will make it easier, it will probably just get messier and the possibility that you could get different information here and "there" scares me. I really have no words about your last paragraph, zajacattack.
zajacattack:
Also, Llorean, via what you said about the New Ports board. Did you ever consider that many of the greatest advances throughout history were made by people with little if no experience in what they were dealing? By closing the board to all but the "experienced" users, you have removed the possibility that an average user could easily make that one breakthrough needed.
Another thing: refer to this post, http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14034, in which an honest person asked for help. Now, it did not belong on the Rockbox forums; however, instead of being politely told where he could get help or where he could post it, he was told "Please respect our guidelines." How does that help him? IT DOESN'T! NOT ONE BIT!
scorche:
--- Quote from: zajacattack on November 27, 2007, 06:37:58 PM ---Many users don't have time to write out a perfectly spelled right, grammatically correct post.
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Then why should they expect us to have the time to write out a detailed explanation of what is wrong and how they can fix it?
--- Quote ---This is removing user friendliness.
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Most forums, it is very hard to even understand what the user is trying to say. This is not "user friendly" at all.
--- Quote ---Why is it SO NECESSARY that everyone be perfect in their English.
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This was explained quite well a few posts up... We don't ask that you use perfect English. Only that you do not use words like "thx, u, 4" in place of real words.
--- Quote ---By closing the board to all but the "experienced" users, you have removed the possibility that an average user could easily make that one breakthrough needed.
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We do not close the board to all but "experienced" users. However, useless suggestions are just that...useless. When people throw out random ideas that would be impossible to change anything, it does not help...it clutters.
Febs:
--- Quote from: zajacattack on November 27, 2007, 06:37:58 PM ---
--- Quote from: Febs on November 27, 2007, 06:32:51 PM ---I think that if you look carefully, you will find that we are very tolerant of non-English speakers who make an effort to use proper English. What we do not tolerate, and never will as long as I have anything to say about the matter, is native English speakers who deliberately butcher the language.
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I would say, that is really very frustrating on many users parts. Many users don't have time to write out a perfectly spelled right, grammatically correct post. This is removing user friendliness. And, since when is Rockbox so formal. This is a place to ask for help and suggest ideas. Why is it SO NECESSARY that everyone be perfect in their English. This is probably one of the few forums I know of that enforces correct English so heavily, and it ends up drawing away users.
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We do not ask for perfection in people's posts. We ask that people make an effort to use proper grammar, spelling and punctuation. If users "don't have the time" to make an effort to right in an intelligible manner, then they are shifting the burden of being understood from themselves to the reader, and I do not see any legitimate reason for allowing people to do this.
Perhaps we are one of the stricter forums that enforces English, but I could give you countless examples of real world situations where internet slang is absolutely unacceptable.
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