Strange bookmark behavior

[adamf663]

I just switched to using rockbox on an apple ipod gen 5.5.  Previously I ran it on cowan iaudio x5.

I'm having some strange behavior when resuming from a bookmark (from the 'recent bookmarks list').  I don't use the database/id3 feature;  I always use the file view to select.

What happens when I resume a bookmark is that it displays the playback screen with the correct track location for a brief instant, and then jumps to a file view of the root directory.  If I hit play, it plays the correct track, but at the beginning.

If I hold down the play/pause button to make rockbox stop playback and then select a bookmark, it works correctly.

[roolku]

I can confirm that behaviour for the gigabeat (I have gotten so used to it I automatically press stop now). Thanks for bringing it up. I'll to file a bugreport on flyspray for it.

EDIT:

Okay, there it is: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8215

[Yotto]

I've seen this (or at least similar) on my iPod 5g.  I can't recreate it with any consistency at all but it happens frequently enough to be annoying when it does happen.  I haven't reported it because of the lack of reproducibility, and it always seems to happen when I'm out and by the time I come back to a computer it's out of my mind.

I use the "Recent Bookmarks" menu item in which I have the most recent bookmark for each of my 5 playlists (2 of them, the most frequenly used, dynamic. I'm not sure if it only happens on dynamic, or only happens on static, or happens on both.  I'll pay more attention the next time it happens).

[tahoejoe]

I have a similar problem on the Sandisk Sansa e250r.  It records the bookmark(only when accessing the track from the file menu, not the database), but when I try and go back to it, it starts at the beginning of the track, but the timeline shows the "recorded" time of the bookmark.  I can't get it to resume the bookmark at the right place in the track.

[tahoejoe]

It's not perfect, but for the Sansa, I find that after you resume play using the bookmark, if you rewind the bookmarked track for a few seconds, it does resume the track close to where you left off ( i.e., the small amount you rewind is the difference).

[YesOBHS]

I have the same problem on my iAudio M5
But it doesn't work correctly neither if it played at the moment nor if I pushed Pause befor. It begins to play from the beginning of the bookmarked track in both cases

The problem began since Rockbox version r15311-071026.
Version r15294-071025 worked propperly on my iAudio M5
I can't see the changelog for r15311-071026 so I don't know which changes made the mentioned problem

Does anybody know how to solve the problem?

[Taslow]

There are a couple of other threads with some of us experiencing the same problem on our e250/280's and other models. I originally thought it was isolated just to post-power-cycle because my bookmarks seemed to work as long as I hadn't restarted my player in the meantime; but it seems like there are multiple situations and different models where bookmarks aren't functioning correctly on any builds in the last week (or more?). I can't remember exactly when mine stopped working but I'll start loading some old builds until it begins functioning again and post on it.

[dogskull]

Just started using Rockbox on my iaudio X5.  I am experiencing basically the same problem.  I can save a bookmark and it shows up in the bookmark list.  However, when I play the bookmark it starts at the beginning of the file, not at the correct location.  Most of my listening is to lectures and audiobooks, so bookmarks are critical to me.  Has there been any progress on this?  Is there a recommended build that I can go back to?  I am running version r16354-080219.

[krisdb]

rockbox is f*cked up when it comes to bookmarking.  I had a multi-page thread (http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14995.0) going about bookmarking issues in the Sansa c200, which resulted in nothing, except a band-aid.  I wouldn't get your hopes up about a fix coming soon, as the developers feel it is a "rare" and "subtle" issue that doesn't effect too many users.  I tried using hacky ways to mimic bookmarking (ie, looking at the timestamp and manually fast-forwarding), but I ended up ditching rockbox and using the original firmware, as there was no point, for me, to use rockbox without bookmarking.

What drives me nuts is that they were able to get plugins and an image viewer and skins and games working, but not something as basic as bookmarking.  I heard that's a big problem with open source software, the developers want to work on the cool and flashy features, but not the "boring" and useful features.

Open source software is like communism, good idea, in theory...

[Llorean]

And yet here your are complaining while other people are working on fixing the problem. You pay them NOTHING yet feel justified in complaining when their contibutions aren't  fast enough, while you yourself contribute nothing at all. Do I detect a false sense of entitlement here?

[tahoejoe]

And yet here your are complaining while other people are working on fixing the problem. You pay them NOTHING yet feel justified in complaining when their contibutions aren't  fast enough, while you yourself contribute nothing at all. Do I detect a false sense of entitlement here?

Many of us do appreciate the hard work of the developers and I agree that the comments of krisdb are uncalled for.

[YesOBHS]

Just started using Rockbox on my iaudio X5....  Is there a recommended build that I can go back to?

I'm using Rockbox on iAudio M5.. It’s something similar to your player. And the last bild that worked properly was r15311-071025. So try to find bild that was released earlier 2007.10.25

[Lear]

I just thought I should mention that I did fix one problem krisdb found (and I could reproduce), that when you tried to resume a (folder) bookmark for a file that no longer existed, nothing would happen. This was particularly bad if load last bookmark was set to yes, in which case no file in that folder could be played directly. The fix is to play the selected file in that case (i.e., act as if there was no bookmark when the bookmarked file can't be found).

I don't know what the remaining problems could be caused by, as bookmarking works well on my e200, playing MP3 and Vorbis files.

[krisdb]

I just thought I should mention that I did fix one problem krisdb found

That's BS.  He fixed a problem, not the problem I was having.  For some reason, he kept insisting that I was trying to resume a file that no longer existed, no matter how I tried to explain it.  I just gave up.  Explaining it to my wall was more productive.

I wasn't going to respond to my homeboy Llorean, but the more I thought about it, the more aggravated I got.  I'm so sick of open-source developers using the "its free" card as an excuse for a crappy products.  You know what?  If you can't build a stable product, don't build it at all (or don't release it).  All you do is drive people away from open-source, and make them feel guilty if they speak up.  At this point, I wish I had never heard of Rockbox, because I bought my Sansa specifically to use it.  On top of that, for some reason, I was supposed to know that the Sansa version was less than a year old and not stable.  How the f*ck am I supposed to know that?  I go to this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox, look at all the features and assume they must be working.  Where does it say on that page these features may or may not work?

And its not like I'm complaining about some fringe feature, like why I can't get Doom to run on my c200 (good use of time on that one, btw).  Its something as basic as bookmarking, which isn't as "cool" as plugins and image viewers.  WTF, who wants an image viewer on the c200?

This is why I avoid open-source software altogether.  Its just a pattern of this, unstable products that don't work as stated, then you speak up and they throw back the "its free"/"you don't contribute" card.  Not that it matters, I don't even use Rockbox anymore and steer people I know who were thinking about using it.  I tell him its buggy and if you ask for support you'll get condescending responses (Llorean) or no help at all.

[LambdaCalculus]

I was about to start writing a huge rant about this, but decided to condense it down to this:

No one is twisting your arm to use Rockbox. If you don't like it, fine. Get rid of it and don't come back. THAT is the beauty of free and open source software: If you don't like it, then you don't have to use it. Pick an alternative. And we'll gladly give you a refund for the money you paid.

We'll discuss this further when you get frustrated with the abusive power of DRM, vendor lock-in, buggy proprietary software, and basically no choices in life.