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Redesign of the www.rockbox.org front page
bluebrother:
--- Quote from: macku on April 28, 2009, 02:17:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: gevaerts on April 28, 2009, 02:01:28 PM ---This is where you're wrong. Web pages shouldn't be designed for a specific resolution *at all*
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I agree. What I wrote wasn't my opinion how pages should be designed, but an observation how they are. We can convincing each other, if page should have static or flexible width, but that is not a point. I just wanted to explain why I used fixed width.
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Well, why aren't you using a flexible layout then?
In general, I *really* disagree with this page-needs-to-be-flashy stuff. I'd rather have a less noisy but still nice page which holds all important stuff. Why is JavaScript needed to display such a page at all? Why do hidden parts need to animate when showing up? (btw, try that on a slow machine or a box with slow graphics. You'll hate it immediately!) I'm all for a nicer look, but "nice" is something quite different to "noisy".
psycho_maniac:
i hate flash and java too as i used to have a slow machine and couldnt even go on my favorite sites because of the java and flash. i noticed all ads now a days are java or flash and now every site is too.
GodEater:
This post seems to be getting derailed from what I assumed was it's original purpose.
I thought we agreed somewhere along the way to keep a seperate "dev" section for all the information the rockbox regulars like to read and keep up to date on.
We're talking about a page here for either the average end user or a new visitor that's never seen rockbox before.
You lot (everyone with a rockbox badge of some kind) can spout your ideologies of what you believe is the "right and correct" way to design a web page as much as you like, but you're NOT the target audience here. Or did I get this completely wrong, and really we're just trying to keep the same page as we've always had ?
cool_walking_:
Why does being a Rockbox regular discount people's opinions on general things like "fixed-width vs fluid" and "scripting-heavy pages"? You also have a badge, so what makes you think new users' views don't align with those spouted ideologies?
GodEater:
--- Quote from: cool_walking_ on April 29, 2009, 04:28:50 AM ---Why does being a Rockbox regular discount people's opinions on general things like "fixed-width vs fluid" and "scripting-heavy pages"? You also have a badge, so what makes you think new users' views don't align with those spouted ideologies?
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It doesn't discount their opinions, but most of the arguments from those who are regulars seem to be floating around the idea "I want the new page to be the same as the old one, except different" - which seems pointless. If that's the case, why bother redesigning it in the first place? And why bother having the "dev" centric one that was floated earlier in the thread at all ?
I'm not going to get into the argument over scripting-heavy vs. scripting light - that doesn't appear to be what the disagreements here are about - baring a few comments about not liking the fade ins of the player images. Fine - if we don't like those that's a dead easy one to remove, and I don't think it affects the page one way or the other.
As for fixed-width vs. fluid - well it's an ideal yes. But macku already said he's not keen to try it, and I don't see anyone else stepping up to the plate. So if that's a show stopper then we've wasted his time - a considerable amount of it. I would feel like a complete tool to say to the first person who's taking a serious swing at this "sorry, close but no cigar". As I said way back in this thread we can work on the page over time - it's not static. If someone really wants to redo this layout to make it work in a fluid way then by all means do it. But don't complain about it not doing it and then fail to fix it yourself.
And no, I'm no more qualified to speak for the average end user than anyone else here - this is all just my opinion. Unfortunately there are no "new users" commenting here - they can't - or else they're not new users. And the "average" users who have been in can only really say "I like this, or I don't" since by definition they're not technical enough to follow a discussion on how difficult it is to make a web page truly cross browser compatible and screen resolution independent. I've yet to see a web page that *is* all of those things that doesn't look like a car crash - but again, that's just my opinion.
Everything I've seen macku produce in this thread just looks "right" to me for a consumer friendly web page. Please feel free to discuss further though.
PS - I see this becoming at least one of the topics at devcon. I look forward to the opportunity to get red faced and shouty about it in person :)
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