new ipods - rockbox port proposal

[achoudry]

hi,

i've been through this post and am still not sure what the final conclusion was  

will there be an implementation of rockbox for the 3rd generation ipod nano's or not?

thanks

[LambdaCalculus]

This was your thread, was it not?

http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12817.0

You were told to search the forums, and then pointed (I figure) to this thread.

We have next to no information about the nano's firmware or encryption method used on said firmware. Therefore, nothing can be done at this moment.

Your options right now are to either buy a supported player (they're listed on the front page), sit back and wait, or buy a nano, crack it open, and start doing the work yourself. We don't ports on request, and if you want it really badly, then you should motivate yourself to get working on a port.

[achoudry]

thanks for the information!

i wouldn't know where to even begin working on a port by the way!

[LambdaCalculus]

Start here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex?topic=NewPort

[cormie]

So what exactly is needed to get this confirmed?

[GodEater]

Get what confirmed?

You didn't ask a question.

[cormie]

oops

I was just talking about the Original post, as in, what is needed to confirm whether or not rockbox is possible on the 160GB iPod classic?

[scorche]

It is impossible as long as no one steps forward to do the port.

[cormie]

But that's the question;) is it patchable?

[scorche]

Anything is possible given enough time.  But if no one is working on it, then it isn't going to happen.

[cormie]

Ok, well at least that gives some hope:)

I'm surprised there's little interest in it by the Rockbox Dev's, I thought a big factor of the massive interest in the H140 was the fact it was a big capacity player at the time. Obviously the optical ports and recording drew a lot of Devs to the device aswell though!

[GodEater]

and the fact that it was an "easyish" port helped a lot too. The original firmware wasn't encrypted, had lots of helpful debugging info in it and the hardware was documented to a certain degree. And even then the port took about a year to get sound going, and then a lot of time afterwards to really settle down.

Looking at the iPod classic as a target now - well - I just find it depressing to even think of the amount of work to do just to find out HOW to run code on it. After that you've got to start reverse engineering the hardware, because there's no documentation on it. Then you've got to do all the hard work of the Rockbox low level stuff porting, and finally the tweaks at the end that look easy from where we're standing now - but likely won't be.

If a team of three of four REALLY good developers started work on this today, I think you're looking at about three years to get it in a state where you'd want to use it. And by then Apple will have released three other models of iPod that you will ALSO be clamouring to have Rockbox working on.

Just thinking of all that de-motivates me loads.

[c0utta]

Ok thanks. So as of now, there is no option to get rockbox on any 160GB hd for any device, right?

According to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement#Rockbox_targets_using_1_8_drives it may be possible to use the new (as yet, unavailable) Samsung N series 160GB in an iPod Video 5.5 since they're both ZIF 40.

We'll have to wait until the drive is released to see whether it's possible.  I'm keeping my fingers crossed...

Cheers,

c0utta

[Bagder]

I'm surprised there's little interest in it by the Rockbox Dev's, I thought a big factor of the massive interest in the H140 was the fact it was a big capacity player at the time.

It certainly was not. We had bigger disks on the Archos already at the time we started the iriver ports.

The iriver units were selected because they use standard, documented parts and in general were players with lots of the "right choices" done. To be honest, I don't think ipods do many right choices taken their large storage aside.

And the iriver h1x0 port was unique in many ways since that was the first swcodec architecture Rockbox was ported to.

[cormie]

Thanks for the info everyone:)

Suppose that Samsung N Series 160GB could be an option. How much do you reckon a 160GB 1.8 HD would sell for on its own?