new ipods - rockbox port proposal

[mschneider]

...but to call it nonsense is dumb.

And arguing over whether or not the word choice for somebody's opinoin of a post is right or wrong isnt when the purpose of this thread was to attempt to get an effort started for those players?

[Llorean]

There's basically two ways to measure output: Objectively and Subjectively.

Objectively, you would take a known pattern, and compare it with the output, such as an RMAA test, so you can see what is happening.

Subjectively you would simply do a double blind test comparing it to another source you subjectively considered 'good'.

He really hasn't showed any results of either sort of test, and the only test that really matters is the objective one since subjectively everyone has different opinions on what sounds 'good'.

But either way, what's important here is things relating to the update process (does it have a firmware partition, are firmware updates encrypted, etc, etc) and high resolution scans of the board.

[terrence1019]

THis is what everyone should do: Relax. I'm sure the guys over at iPod linux will discover what to do. That will make things a whole lot easier for us Rockboxers. Let's just wait and see what they can do in the mean time.

[scorche]

As they have done nothing for the second gen Nanos, one should not expect much (not saying this will happen...just providing a base).  Waiting for other people to do things is never a good decision as we suggest a lot on these forums.  If you wish for a port to happen, one must take charge and work on it themselves to be sure it will happen.

[GodEater]

...and given the last time I spoke to the guys at iPL, and they said "we're not working on the 2nd Gen Nano", I think it will be a long wait indeed.

[wesmo]

As they have done nothing for the second gen Nanos, one should not expect much (not saying this will happen...just providing a base).  Waiting for other people to do things is never a good decision as we suggest a lot on these forums.  If you wish for a port to happen, one must take charge and work on it themselves to be sure it will happen.

So why don't we raise some funds to get some new ipods for devs who have offered to take it apart...

Wouldn't that be enough to get the ball rolling (a couple of ipods + a couple of devs)

[GodEater]

Assuming the current firmware is encrypted, just having the hardware won't help much. I know of at least one dev who already has access to the 2nd Gen Nano - and as you know - nothing's happened on that front at all.

[N3G4T1v3]

Just a question, isn't it possible to hack the update that are loaded onto the iPod when you update them through iTunes??

[LambdaCalculus]

If it were that easy, don't you think we'd have a port for the 2nd Gen nano already? Apple put some very nasty encryption on the 2nd Gen nano, as well as the new iPod Classic and the 3rd Gen nano.

Besides, I believe someone already tried this and failed. You can search the forums to confirm.

[N3G4T1v3]

I highly dout that this will hellp but i found this of wikipedia.org
it says that the 2nd gen uses a ARM Processor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod_nano

here a little bit of information about ARM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture

[LambdaCalculus]

I highly dout that this will hellp but i found this of wikipedia.org
it says that the 2nd gen uses a ARM Processor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod_nano

here a little bit of information about ARM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture

This is information we already have. It's the encryption of the nano firmware that's the problem.

[scorche]

Wouldn't that be enough to get the ball rolling (a couple of ipods + a couple of devs)

No it wouldn't, as that only satisfies one of the things needed for a port.  Motivation and time are still needed, and which may not be available to many devs, as they may be currently working on something else, or have other priorities.

[cormie]

Can anyone confirm this yet?

Would it be possible to buy a 160GB classic and an 80GB 5.5 gen, swap HD's, rockbox the 160GB hd in the 5.5 and then sell the classic as an 80gb classic instead of a 160gb classic?

[GodEater]

I believe the drive connectors are different - so no, you couldn't do that.

[Hellmark]

From the photos I've seen, the videos had an actual cable for the drive, where as the classics have a cartridge style quick disconnect socket mounted on.

Too bad though, because yeah, bigger sized video ipod would rock.