Pressing LEFT to get to WPS from file root

[Bagder]

So many options are only needed if we are planning to use PLAY for something else as well. I think for the time being just "LEFT to WPS in root: yes/no" would do the trick.

Personally I think even that single option causes unnecessary featuritis. I'd rather just let users learn.

But then I think that PLAY should be used to switch to the dir browser from WPS and not a navi-key push like today. That would make PLAY more like the ON key on Archoses and the same key wouch switch back and forth between the screens.

[LinusN]

Personally I think even that single option causes unnecessary featuritis. I'd rather just let users learn.

Amen.

But then I think that PLAY should be used to switch to the dir browser from WPS and not a navi-key push like today. That would make PLAY more like the ON key on Archoses and the same key would switch back and forth between the screens.

What would we use for Pause then?

[nobby]

that'd be hella unintuitive. the button has a play/pause symbol on it!

[len0x]

Personally I think even that single option causes unnecessary featuritis. I'd rather just let users learn.

Learn what - using PLAY button (or whatever is assigned) instead of LEFT?
Sorry, but this sounds weird since most of users actually use this option because they can use joystick for all necessary navigation. There were some good points about why some ppl might not like it, so making this as an option with defaults to whatever most users want sounds reasonable to me.

P.S. Unless I misunderstood you and you were in favour of using LEFT to go to WPS without an option.

[Bagder]

What would we use for Pause then?

I guess the NAVI key. It would basically switch today's NAVI-press and PLAY.

That too would be more similar to how we operate on the Archos Recorder units.

[Bagder]

Learn what - using PLAY button (or whatever is assigned) instead of LEFT?

Yes

Sorry, but this sounds weird since most of users actually use this option because they can use joystick for all necessary navigation. There were some good points about why some ppl might not like it, so making this as an option with defaults to whatever most users want sounds reasonable to me.

Most users don't use this patch at all. Most users use the PLAY key since that is how Rockbox does it out-of-the-box.

And yes, I can understand the reasoning behind the request but I still rather have Rockbox work in one single consistant way rather than adding an option for such a tiny little border-case.

[len0x]

I thought it was all about democracy and choice of ppl that is clearly indicated in the poll above. If just a couple users wanted that - it wasn't worth it indeed. I personally find a lot of options redundant in RB, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be there...

[LinusN]

I think a consistent button scheme is important. I also think we should use the Play key for playback and not WPS toggling.

However, the iriver has such silly buttons, so we are more or less forced to use them for things that they were not labelled for. Take the A-B button for example.

I think going to the WPS when Left is pressed in the root folder is a bad thing because it is annoying to end up in the WPS when you want to go to the root and push Left one time too many. This would be even worse for blind people.

[roolku]

Another reason to leave it as it is the frequency of use. I mean how often do you go from the directory tree to the WPS? I only do it if I change my mind and abort navigation. Typically I will select a new song which brings me to the WPS anyway.

[ray]

What would we use for Pause then?

I guess the NAVI key. It would basically switch today's NAVI-press and PLAY.

oohhh... i wouldn't like the NAVI-press as pause... the way NAVI-press is now is good.

this sounds like the most viable option:

...There were some good points about why some ppl might not like it, so making this as an option with defaults to whatever most users want sounds reasonable to me.

[Bagder]

oohhh... i wouldn't like the NAVI-press as pause... the way NAVI-press is now is good.

Personally I dislike how I soooo often end up in the dir browser when I try to change the volume by using the NAVI key while my iriver is in my pocket.

[len0x]

I think a consistent button scheme is important.

One may argue that LEFT to WPS would be in fact consitent behaviour because in ALL in other cases that  I could find it returns back to WPS or radio WPS: context menus, radio presets etc...

How about having a special group in settings called "RB navigation" where all those "weird" options can reside?

[LinusN]

One may argue that LEFT to WPS would be in fact consitent behaviour because in ALL in other cases that  I could find it returns back to WPS or radio WPS: context menus, radio presets etc...

Maybe we're getting somewhere here. It seems like most of the iriver users have a notion of WPS being the "main" screen, and keep talking of getting "back" to the WPS.

In Rockbox, the WPS is not the main screen, the browser is.

When it comes to menus, context menus, presets etc, they don't return to the WPS, they return to the parent that called them. The context menu returns to the context from which it was called, be it the browser, the WPS or whatever.

[len0x]

That is a very good point and I agree in principle but as you said:

It seems like most of the iriver users have a notion of WPS being the "main" screen, and keep talking of getting "back" to the WPS.

So its only gonna get worse as the army of iRiver users would install RB when its officially released. So why not make it easier for newcomers and make their first experience more pleasant? It just seems unnatural trying to avoid putting in a feature that doesn't bring technical problems and makes users happy just because trying to keep RB "different". 

[LinusN]

This is not about trying to keep Rockbox different. Rockbox has been like this for years, and that doesn't automatically change because we port to another platform. Rockbox is not about mimicking other firmwares. It's a firmware of its own.

And adding the left-to-wps does add problems, as I have described in my earlier posts. It makes blind navigation harder.

Also, I sincerely doubt that the lack of left-to-wps will make the Rockbox experience that much more unpleasant.

Still, I recall that we did some minor adjustments to Rockbox back in the early Archos days, to make it work more like the original firmware. IIRC, the "follow playlist" option was added just because of that.

I can live with an option for this, as long as it's off by default (to make it easier for blind people, that's why the Voice features are on by default). I just think it's a quite unnecessary option, we should be able to find an easier way of handling the browser<->wps toggling.