Support and General Use > User Interface and Voice
Pressing LEFT to get to WPS from file root
fml2:
--- Quote from: Llorean on January 22, 2007, 03:53:33 AM ---That's why I asked for a reason. I thought: Hey, someone resurrected the long decided issue YET AGAIN, maybe they actually have a real reason.
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Well, for those users (and on those players) this is a reason. I think this depends on the DAP. On some devices, all buttons are accessible equally easy. But on some (e.g. H120) they are not. You have to use another finger. And to do that, you have to place the dap in another way in your hand. And if you're not careful enough you could even drop the dap. Isn't that a reason?
I agree that this feature might not be necessary on all devices. But on some it would.
There is another aspect (of a psychological nature) in this issue IMHO. It's been discussed long and the answer of the devs has always been the same, i.e. "we don't want/need it." If they say now "ok, we might still need it", wouldn't that be sort of like of defamation or proving one having been stubborn? OTOH if that's just a question of a rational reason, isn't the one I named in this post strong enough (not letting the DAP fall down)?
Llorean:
Firstly I have an H120. It was my first Rockboxable DAP, and I've never felt that the play button was an inconvenience. So, it's personal preference, and not merely an aspect of DAP design, so please don't try to play that card. I have no problem reaching the play button with the index finger on my right hand while using the thumb to navigate the stick. Or, if using my left hand it requires a slight shift behind the player but my index finger still wraps around without problem. So while it is still an issue of little more than personal preference for this feature versus practical concerns on the case of the core developers.
Second, you haven't addressed the Core Devs' primary concerns. In fact, you just showed that you don't even know what they are. "we don't want/need it." is not the most commonly stated reason by the core devs.
As I said, I would like to see a NEW argument in favour of this, but repeating things that have already been said is just going to irritate those who've said it will not happen any more. Your argument is the same "It's convenient." So what? "It's convenient" vs "It's redundant, can add hassle for blind users, and further increases an already increasingly oversized binary" makes the choice pretty easy.
fml2:
--- Quote from: Llorean on January 22, 2007, 04:15:43 AM ---I have no problem reaching the play button with the index finger on my right hand while using the thumb to navigate the stick.
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Well, other people might have other experience.
--- Quote ---So what? "It's convenient" vs "It's redundant, can add hassle for blind users, and further increases an already increasingly oversized binary" makes the choice pretty easy.
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Well, RB is all about convenience, no? And the binary size is an issue only for a minority of devices. On that devices, the feature could be #deffed out. (I also mean the version for H120 which is booted from EEPROM or smth. -- the binary size there is also limited.) And if it would require an extra LEFT press for going from the file browser to WPS (see my post a couple of posts before) that wouldn't also confuse visually impaired users.
Having said this I'd like to stress that all I can do (and do!) is humbly ask for a feature or tell my opinion. Ant that I've been and am a grateful RB user.
Llorean:
Firstly, "smth" is not a real word. Follow the forum rules.
Secondly, Rockbox should never work differently on multiple targets unless there's an exceptionally good reason to. The fact that people want a slightly more convenient button press hardly qualifies. As for the "They have to already be in the root" issue: What if a blind user IS already in the root, but not aware of it. Right now left will reliably take you to the same place whether you hold it, or just tap it many many times. With your method, it becomes vastly less consistent and reliable.
Rockbox is not "all about convenience." It's mostly about a powerful cross-hardware MP3 player firmware. And even if it were about convenience, your feature is *vastly* more inconvenient for some users than I imagine a slight shift for a button press is for you. Even I rely on the root being the final location from left presses.
As I said: Give me *new* reasons, rather than rehashing the old ones.
I'm sorely tempted to simply lock this thread with a statement that the idea is dead until such time as someone can actually address it from a new angle. You've not actually addressed any of the old objections, you've just said that in your opinion they don't matter.
LinusN:
I can agree with the convenience argument on the H100 series. I wouldn't care all that much if we did add that feature.
The main arguments against it would be
1) It is not good for blind navigation (solved by making it a non-default setting)
2) It breaks the overall design of the GUI hierarchy (Left means "leave this level", while the browser actually it the top level)
3) It would waste code space. (albeit very little)
as for (2), we are discussing changing the hierarchy to be more flat. Then the navigation will be different.
I'm undecided about this...
just my $0.02
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