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Pressing LEFT to get to WPS from file root
rdtyphn:
To me this patch feels like it really is about prioritizing the various screens. I feel like the screens should all go back to the wps screen. This patch allows me to imagine that is so.
I'm sure that rockbox's goal is to play music. To me, this feels like it is supporting that goal. I'm not sure the goal is to have the filetree be the primary focus.
Llorean:
It's a filetree based music player though. The WPS only _exists_ when music is playing. You can't really do anything from it but control the flow of the current playlist. It's only useful when music is playing, so there is a condition where the WPS does not exist: When music is stopped.
There is no condition when the filetree does not exist, so it makes more sense for it to exist below the level of the WPS, because the WPS is invoked from within either the Filetree. The filetree makes it appear, so by definition it exists on top of the filetree.
rdtyphn:
Ah, I understand now. Thanks for being patient and explaining the status quo.
Mikerman:
--- Quote from: Llorean on July 24, 2006, 08:46:36 PM ---Your primary reasoning for liking the patch seems to be "My preconception is that the WPS is the base screen, and so should be where I return to."
Now I ask you: If it's Rockbox's goal to be a player in which it is NOT the base screen, why is this patch a good idea? Assume for the moment that this is not a debate over what should be the base screen, but rather just what the functionality of the button should be.
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Llorean, I think I understand what you are saying and in that paradigm, it doesn't really make sense to have the left-to-WPS patch/function. But isn't that somewhat pitting the system architecture against user's minds and what they seem to feel, for whatever the reason (or, at least what a substantial number of people seem to feel)?
The best reasons I have heard thus far to countermand this "instinct" (if that's what it is) are accessibility issues for those who have visual limitations; and standardization among players. But, I don't know that other non H-1xx users don't appreciate the patch (I don't know either way, if they would find it useful), and I don't know if the patch would complicate matters (however that's determined, philosophically or physically) such as to outweigh implementation as an option (either specific to the H-1xx players--I don't even know if that is an option--or generally).
edit: Or maybe this all is bullsh*t and other things need to be turned to, and minds adjusted. And it gives people patching experience! ;) Curious, though, that so many people feel this way about the patch--something is going on here.
Llorean:
Well, a few points.
1) On accessibility, it is possible that it could be made option if it defaulted to off, but this increases code size frivolously which is exceptionally bad for the Archoses.
2) All targets need to function the same way when the hardware allows. Since the hardware allows, if it were to be implemented as an option, it would need to be on many, actively harming the Archos port in theory.
The H100 didn't have a left to enter WPS functionality in the root OS, but it did start you at the WPS screen instead of the song listing. The iPod starts you in the menu. The Archos and iAudios I honestly couldn't say, nor the H300.
I think that if you ran this poll in the general discussion, and figured out some way to force people to read the arguments both for and against implementing it, you would see a much different ratio of votes. I'm not saying that you'd end up with a majority for it not being implemented, but I think that it's skewed because of its location, and because of the fact that many people voted without knowing the harm the patch would _have_ to cause, either by harming the Archos port, harming blind users (as making it not an option would then probably not increase code size, or if so much less) or harming the unification of player control schemes.
That being said, Rockbox isn't a democracy, so whether the majority want this feature or not, there's a small group of people who get the final say in what features become 'official,' so saying "look, 2/3 of the people here want it" isn't necessarily a very strong argument at all, anyway.
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