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Ipod hard lock while Paused... workaround inside!

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Llorean:
7109: Clearly not simply frozen, because he can attempt to start a different song. I don't know your definition of frozen, but we tend to include "does not accept input" and usually "user feedback ceases" as part of it. So clearly his player isn't frozen if he can try to start other songs.
7304: He says pressing play works, which means unpausing works for him, only the power cable insertion causes the freeze.
6846: He can't TURN IT ON. This is a problem that is outside of Rockbox, his Apple firmware is screwing up. Pause isn't even involved, nor is it Rockbox that is freezing.
6973: Again, there is no pausing of playback involved. In this case playback is completely stopped, not Paused.
6606: Again, no Pause involved. Playback is actually *going* when the iPod stops responded.
5987: This one was quite some time old, on UNFINISHED CODE. Your problem is on a different player with almost entirely different hardware, and the ONLY recent posts on it are made by you.

The only problem that MIGHT be related is 5987, and Dan_A, who confirmed it in the past, is one of our 3G developers. I'm quite certain that the problem that bug described had to do with the state of the code for the 3G back then, and is unrelated.

Please, when you say there are "many related tasks" don't try to back it up with tasks that are very different problems, many not involving the pause functionality at all.

I'm more than happy to listen to you explain if I've misread any of these tasks, but at the moment it seems quite clear you're jumping to conclusions, and making broad assumptions.

yegods:
i said it was circumstantial, didn't i?  all i can go on is what happened to me, and what fixed it.  maybe there are details of what was locking up my ipod that were not made clear.  simple pressing the pause button was only one of the ways that the ipod would regularly lock up.  the other way was that i would shut the ipod down by HOLDing the pause button until it shut down.

this of course led me down the whole "ipod shutdown is messed up in the hardware" patch, which i've pretty much proved is bogus.  once i connected the pause feature to my problem, it was a simple step to stop instead of pause, and test to see if my player would lock up still.  it hasn't locked up after shutdown (meaning i can't turn it on) or pause ONCE since i installed the patch.

now i'm not stupid, and i can put 2 and 2 together, and come up with 4 just like the next guy.  i'm also quite a capable programmer... so it doesn't really matter to me whether anyone looks at the problem, since i've fixed it for myself.  i was just trying to do the rockbox community a favor, and point out what MIGHT be a problem with whatever is going on when the music is paused.

Llorean:
Yes, but many of those have nothing to do with the Pause button. My point is: Investigate the problem, rather than jumping to conclusions on circumstantial evidence. There are often related problems around here, but I've been working with this project specifically for years, and I'm quite familiar with many things.

For one, you didn't ever SAY holding the Pause button was the problem. Also, your fix would NOT fix holding the Pause button: Holding it never pauses the music, it skips to stop or shutdown depending on how long you hold it, so removing the pause action wouldn't do anything to resolve that if the problem were related to the Pause action. In essence, by adding this information, you've disproved some of your own theories yourself.

Please, don't throw around circumstantial things because it confuses people who don't have the knowledge or ability to research your somewhat wild claims. Instead do the research THEN present the evidence, rather than the other way around.

yegods:
fair enough, but what i'm suspecting is that there is something in common with how the Pause behaves, and what happens when the shutdown occurs, that causes the lockup.  how else to explain that i never get lockups anymore, even though i use the shutdown all the time now?

maybe i'll dig some more into the firmware, and see if i can find the root cause.  but i just thought that there would be someone more intimately familiar with the playback stuff than i am, and who would be a better one to look at the problem.

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