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IpodStatus page still up-to-date for 5.5Gen iPod?
mamboman:
--- Quote from: GodEater on July 15, 2007, 08:37:51 AM ---There's nothing "wrong" with it per se - it just doesn't work the same as any other hard disk in the DAPS that Rockbox supports.
If you search on the wiki you'll find an absolete page that says why it took so long for Rockbox to support it in a reasonable amount of detail.
The only downside to using the 80GB for Rockbox concerns when Rockbox itself writes to the disk - which as pointed out above, only happens when you save a playlist, or a config file. And even then, the "downside" is that it takes four times as long as it does with any other Hard disk based DAP - and you probably STILL won't notice that, since playlists and config files tend to rather small.
Perhaps if you create a playlist with every song on your DAP in it it'd be noticeable - but even so - it doesn't bother me much. I don't do it enough for the performance hit to matter to me.
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ahh.... that explains it... my committing to database each time I start Rockbox sometimes can take up to 10 minutes.... sigh.... hopefully someone figures out how to make it better
GodEater:
--- Quote from: mamboman on July 16, 2007, 12:11:46 AM ---ahh.... that explains it... my committing to database each time I start Rockbox sometimes can take up to 10 minutes.... sigh.... hopefully someone figures out how to make it better
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You could always not use the database ;)
In all seriousness though - making it work more efficiently at writing is probably not a trivial thing to acheive. Amiconn or LinusN are probably in the best position to comment on that though as they're the people who looked into making the disk in the 80GB work in the first place. LinusN wanted an approache where the larger sectors were handled in both the FAT and ATA drivers, which would have been a very much more complex solution - but probably would have improved the speed - whilst amiconn's approach was just to handle them in the ATA driver - which was much faster to implement - but as a result is not as elegant or efficient perhaps.
mamboman:
--- Quote from: GodEater on July 16, 2007, 04:07:12 AM ---
--- Quote from: mamboman on July 16, 2007, 12:11:46 AM ---ahh.... that explains it... my committing to database each time I start Rockbox sometimes can take up to 10 minutes.... sigh.... hopefully someone figures out how to make it better
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You could always not use the database ;)
In all seriousness though - making it work more efficiently at writing is probably not a trivial thing to acheive. Amiconn or LinusN are probably in the best position to comment on that though as they're the people who looked into making the disk in the 80GB work in the first place. LinusN wanted an approache where the larger sectors were handled in both the FAT and ATA drivers, which would have been a very much more complex solution - but probably would have improved the speed - whilst amiconn's approach was just to handle them in the ATA driver - which was much faster to implement - but as a result is not as elegant or efficient perhaps.
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it's quite useless without the database, perhaps when someone finds the time to perhaps generate the database on the PC then copy in the files, it'd be much faster i reckon :)
GodEater:
--- Quote from: mamboman on July 16, 2007, 04:31:02 AM ---it's quite useless without the database, perhaps when someone finds the time to perhaps generate the database on the PC then copy in the files, it'd be much faster i reckon :)
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Useless is a strong word - I don't use the database and I find it very useful indeed - it's all about how you choose to use the firmware. I suspect you're still using iTunes to transfer your music over - so not using the database would be extremely painful - I however do not, and therefore do not require the database.
I believe I saw someone recently who said they were going to start on writing an app to generate the rockbox database files on the PC. I'm not sure if they're actually going to make good on this or not - but it'll probably be a quicker option than someone cleaning up the core rockbox ATA/FAT drivers.
melancholydm:
I actually only used the database once since it tends to make my experience really slow while using it. the way i set up my file tree is music - genre - artist:album... so i stick to using the File browser which is for me far better.
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