iPod 5,5 (80Gb) doesn´t switch on anymore

[killo777]

I have an idea, i will try now the other way around, to try to empty my battery, so i can stop the hard disk doing this click click....like a failed file access.

anybody know how can i empty the ipod battery in a fast way?

........ i am missing so much my ipod with rockbox......

........ am i the only one having this problem? i will start thinking bad things about me  

[GodEater]

What is it about "your ipod battery is already dead, that's why the drive is going "click click"" that you're having difficulty understanding ?

[killo777]

because it is extrange that i had an ipod with that problem (rockbox software, click click and not switch on) , i got a new one using my warranty and the same problem....so 2 ipod with 2 battery problem  uhm..... it could be but it is hard to believe it....

in any case, i will try today to change again the ipod for a new one....i know that they will ask me what i did but i am going to show my angelical face like if i didn´t do anything bad....really, i didn´t do anything bad  

[bluebrother]

Why don't you just CHARGE your Ipod?

[killo777]

let me tell you something bluebrother

sorry, but your comment is not nice and now you are getting me ungry really ungry


the whole weekend chargind the ipod, i bought the wall charger and i got another charger from a friend....

or your learn to have respect for the people or your learn to read the whole thread before you throw away some kind of comments like that

I feel sorry about you, but you got it man....i see now that i can not get any help here
......Charge the ipod.....your are so funny ...... >:

[GodEater]

If your battery is truly as dead as it sounds it may take as long as 42 hours of charging to get it back into a working state. You can keep taking it back to Apple every time you do this - but it seems a little silly to me.

[bascule]

iPods do this. Please listen to the advice and see my similar experience here:

http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9938.msg76488#msg76488

[bluebrother]

or your learn to have respect for the people or your learn to read the whole thread before you throw away some kind of comments like that

Well. You shouldn't accuse people unless you are really sure -- I read the whole topic. And the symptoms you describe are exactly what happens when the battery is *completely* flat. Unless you have a real hardware issue (which is highly unlikely if you just got the Ipod) it *is* the battery. A couple of people already told you that you need to charge the Ipod, but you seem to desperately searching for another issue by repeating your arguments. This doesn't change the fact that these are definitely the symptoms for a completely flat battery, and it doesn't change that this doesn't have anything to do with Rockbox. Do you call it "respect for people" if you continue to ignore the advice (and even explanations)?

I'm really sorry for you getting angry because someone is a bit more directly in telling you what to do. Maybe I should stop watching this thread and trying to be helpful ...

[killo777]

yeah, i am sorry too, because your comment was not helpful

i am always trying to be helpful aswell, if you read the thread you can see that i was charging the ipod, i will tell you more....i was charging for a long time with differents options (different usb cable, different wall charger...) so you can see that i was using the hints from all of you.....that is not the point....the point is that i am than more than 3 days only charging my device ....and then..... come a new comment to me that i have to charge the ipod....so it makes me feel like i am stupid, that i have to go to take english classes or that anybody takes me seriourly

anyway, was so sad yesterday to see any support beside to be charging the ipod that i went to changed for a second time in a week to an apple store.....what a shame.... they still have it, i hope to get a new one....


I love the rockbox but guys..... my living is doing test software (i am a tesing software engineer) for a big company..... i am know what i am doing.....so believe me....the battery was really, really really charged.....

so please, bluebrother, don´t take me wrong but your comment was out of place after my hard trying charing the ipod from differents ways.....
and yeah,.... i am trying always to support with ideas.....


we can stop

[Llorean]

All you described were attempts at short charges, and then failure. You never once stated that you attempted a prolonged (20+ hour) charge, treating the battery as if it were completely depleted.

As we are not psychic, how could we possibly know you had done something you never told us you did?

Being a software tester yourself, surely you know the value of accurately describing your actions to those attempting to understand what is happening. As well, surely you understand the fact that since Rockbox is not running when your problem is happening (since it's during boot, and after hard reset) that whatever problem you're having is either hardware in nature, or due to a flaw in the Apple firmware. Since the Apple firmware seems to work for most people, the most logical conclusion is that it's a hardware issue. Following that, the symptoms you describe match almost exactly a disk without enough power to spin up: you yourself even said it sounds like the disk is catching. This leads to the assumption that something is preventing the disk from spinning up, and a likely cause is failure of the device to charge properly.

So, let me ask this explicitly: Have you charged your player from a *known good* source (one that charges other iPods) for a full charge period (24 or so hours)?

[killo777]

ok,

let´s take it in the right way.

for sure i wasn´t 24 hours with the right charger, why? because a test with 8 hours can show me if i am charging the ipod.

1.- It could be a problem with the battery, but, i found a reproducible problem. With two ipods 80 gb i had the same failure problem, with the build r13733-070629. My ipod  is always with battery full because i have it connected to the laptop when i am working or at home....so i am always sure to have it charged.

The problem is, from one day to the other day i can not switch on anymore the ipod but i can hear a click, click from the hard disk before i am trying to do a hard reset, so....

2.- i am hearing the click always, incluiding when it is charging or when i have it on the table ( ok , you have to put the ipod near your ear to hear it).

3.- i don´t know how do you do the disk access, but i knew that at the begining of the implementation of rockbox with ipod80gb there were problems with the cluster access, so i supposed that could be related if my ipod is blocked trying to get access to some point of the hard disk

4.- the problem is that i can not make any log file or whatever to see what happen, i can understad that the problem is regarding the battery because that happened to other users....ok, that i got it and i try it...but i can now sure 100% that in my case was not the problem
  regarding themes files or wps?? i don´t know

6.- in any case i am going to wait if i get a new ipod and then i will try to install a new version......

7.....because without RockBox ..... I don´t want to have an iPod.....

8.- to finish: Thanks to the developers for a great software and let´s try together to improve and develop a great Open Source software for mp3 players.


For me this thread can be closed, i gave yesterday again my ipod to the apple shop, they told me (was the second time in a week) that i will hear from them in a few days   and i hope to get a new one.

If i was so upset is because i love the rockbox and i had two ipods in a week with the same problem....and the only support was....charge the battery, charge the battery.....ok sorry if i wasn´t so clear but that was what i was doing this week....charging the battery from different ways

[Llorean]

And you are completely ignoring the fact that Rockbox cannot cause a problem if Rockbox is not running. How do you expect the build of Rockbox to be the problem, if Rockbox isn't running, exactly?

Why do you ask for help, if you absolutely REFUSE to do what you're told? Someone says "Charge it this way" and you say "I don't need to, I already did it a different way." If you know what's wrong, why ask for help? If you don't know what's wrong, why not try what we say, instead of saying "I don't need to."

You are jumping to conclusions "I had a problem twice, and I had Rockbox installed both times." Anyone who's taken a basic class in logic knows that correlation does not imply causation. You also plugged it into your laptop both times. Maybe your USB port managed to short something both times? There are any number of things I'm sure you did both times, but don't believe could be the cause. Did you press the play button on both iPods?

My point is that you've speculated wildly, and refused to do things in a clear manner, and then complained when someone got frustrated that you refuse to actually perform the instructions you got when you requested help. With your next iPod, don't install Rockbox, and see if it develops problems.

Remember, software is deterministic: Given the same instruction set, on properly functioning processors, the same output will result. If this were a simple software bug as you suggested, it would affect everyone that ran the build you quoted, wouldn't it?

[DefineByte]

And you are completely ignoring the fact that Rockbox cannot cause a problem if Rockbox is not running. How do you expect the build of Rockbox to be the problem, if Rockbox isn't running, exactly?

Okay, so it might not be Rockbox (I like the faulty USB port idea) but just because it's not running at start-up doesn't rule out Rockbox as the cause. It could well have got the iPod into a state where it couldn't start-up the next time.

A few times with my iPod Rockbox has said that it was shutting down but the iPod has refused to start-up the next time without a hard reset. After the hard reset the battery has been noticeably lower than at the time of the shutdown.

Still, as you say, basic steps should be followed in order to rule anything in/out.

[Llorean]

Still, though, with you the Hard Reset works. Your case is actually a known glitch that seems to affect 5Gs and Nanos (including those without Rockbox installed, when the Apple firmware chooses to go into 'deep sleep', the equivalent of a Rockbox shut down.)

His description suggests at least that it's attempting to boot up, but unable to continue with the process, and he claimed attempts at hard reset, so it seems very reasonable that his isn't the usual power down glitch.

That being said, I'm open to the possibility that perhaps something else has happened, but if the user's unwilling to actually try everything recommended, it's very difficult to know what's been tried.

[DefineByte]

I guess the only way it could be the same problem was if it was left in the "deep sleep" state long enough to completely drain the battery. That would probably take weeks, if not longer, though (unless it's not as deep a sleep as people think). So, yeah, probably not.