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[iPod 5G] Read iPod native playlists in Rb database

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Exitao:
I'm sorry but the answers you're giving this guy seem snobbish and wrong.

iTunes is fricking evil.  Unfortunately it's also the one media manager that handles loading of the iPod properly.  Every other app I've tried has caused small quirks to occur (most common is double loading songs).

But pretty much every iPod related app I've used makes playlists intended for the iPod firmware, which you guys have essentially stated that you want to ignore.

Soundwise, Rockbox is way better than the iPod firmware.  But if I can't import or use the playlists already loaded on my iPod that handle gigabytes and gigabytes of files, it seems like you want people to go back to the original firmware.

You either want your project to be openly accessible and popular (popular enough for people to want to donate and give word-of-mouth referrals, no?), or you want to be elitist gadget hackers.  But you should be clear about your intentions long before I have to come to these forums to find out how much you don't give a crap about what seems relatively important to what I'm sure are a more than a modest number of people.

Llorean:
1) How do you get double songs with drag and drop?
2) What playlist creation functions does iTunes offer that Rockbox does not within its database functionality? Perhaps a feature request to fill in missing functionality in Rockbox might be better received than a "Make Rockbox compatible with a single piece of software that is only compatible with a selection of the players Rockbox runs on" style request.
3) Nobody has denied him his right to create such a plugin and submit it for inclusion.

Exitao:

--- Quote from: Llorean on July 08, 2007, 06:05:29 AM ---1) How do you get double songs with drag and drop?
2) What playlist creation functions does iTunes offer that Rockbox does not within its database functionality?

--- End quote ---


1)  Screwed if I know.  But anapod and Media Monkey have both done it.  And the songs show up as doubled in both the iPod firmware and Rockbox.  I've also had songs show up in both the RB DB and iPod and not be playable (corrupt?).  I've never experienced these problems when loading with iTunes (which I detest), so I use this POS software to manage my library and load my iPod.

2)  It's not about Rockbox's creation abilities. Long before I ever found Rockbox I made playlists involving hundreds of songs (or more) so that I could manually drag and drop those lists onto my iPod using iTunes.
Now, the ipod firmware uses those playlists and sounds like crap.   The Rockbox firmware gives me real EQ support and manages to give me bass that Apple never could.  But those playlists don't show up.  There's no way I'm replicating those playlists using that jog wheel.  
It was already time consuming enough on the computer sorting by genre, year, category and etc, and then sending to the various playlists in iTunes to the iPod.
The guy who started this thread is essentially saying something similar.
I've only got a 60gb iPod, but I have hundreds of gigs of mp3s on my pc and I'm pretty sure that iPod capacities and MP3 collections are only going to be growing.
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3)  Yeah.  Sure.  "We're not interested, do it yourself, we don't care."  So it comes back to my point about this project not being intended for everyone, just the gadget hackers.  Let me just scrounge up the time, inclination and coding experience necessary for me to do it myself. I'll get back to you on my results in about 6 months.  ;-)

Llorean:
That still doesn't address the fact that this is a request to add fluff to Rockbox that only supports one non-standard piece of software that only works with a portion of the players Rockbox supports. Rockbox is not an iPod only project, and one of Rockbox's intents is specifically to free you from a dependence on a specific piece of software by allowing your player to use standard formats.

I humbly suggest that perhaps you file bug reports to the software that doesn't work, instead of suggesting that software that does work should include iTunes specific fluff because while you "don't want to use iTunes" you "have to" since you can't manage to get other software to do what you want.

But, as I said, you can just make a plugin that can convert the playlists if you really want it, but please don't whine about the fact that nobody really seems interested in doing it for you: Most of the core devs do not use iTunes and never will, so it's unlikely they have any real interest in it at all. EVERYBODY HERE IS A VOLUNTEER. If you can't be bothered to do it yourself, why on Earth should anyone who's not going to ever, ever use the feature do it for you?

runawaywind:

--- Quote from: Llorean on July 07, 2007, 09:17:34 PM ---If you meant to say "It creates a database from the same music files that iTunes does" then your argument could as easily be turned around to say that iTunes creates one from the same files as our database does, in which case I still don't understand your point.

--- End quote ---
You are correct about my meaning. But your reversed argument does not follow logically. Introductory Logic will teach you {A --> B} is not equivalent to {B --> A}. The reverse statement being "iTunes creates a database according to the file structure of the database (of Rockbox)".

My point (which I intended to be an observation, not a main point) is that Rockbox is capable of using the given file tree that iTunes makes. I just mentioned that because it supports an attribute (the file structure) of the iPod firmware, yet it doesn't support playlists (something I would have liked also supported). We have already discussed the actual issue and I realize that it's a feature that goes beyond the intentions of ROCKbox. I apologize for being unclear.


--- Quote from: saratoga on July 07, 2007, 11:10:18 PM ---If you want to import itunes playlists, you should write a plugin that does it.

--- End quote ---
If I was a little more familiar I would. Since I am just dipping my feet in the software, I am not ready to do so yet. I figured I'd make my voice heard in case there was any info I wasn't aware of. Thank you anyway.

Exitao, thanks for understanding where I am coming from, but I do have trust that the Rockbox community does care. I would love to drop iTunes, but I (1) am not capable of coding my own media player and (2) find it hard to abandon the few things that iTunes is capable of in exchange for software that lacks the features in iTunes.

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