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Rejection of "ignore the" patch (split from the Evil_G unsupported build thread)

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Llorean:
Yes, TSOP should be used for "Artist" when sorting. In terms of ID3 tags, the Artist tag is actually the "Performer" tag.

DefineByte:
Thanks.

I'm tempted to ask you all sorts of ID3 questions but I'll refrain. :D

Llorean:
I'm hardly an expert on tagging. I just do research when a subject comes up, before I start on discussing the subject, and this is research I did months ago when the topics of "Albums with various artists" and "Sorting in the database" were discussed elsewhere.

Using the three stort tags would solve several problems at once, in a 100% multilingual way, without obvious negative side effects.

lalittle:

--- Quote from: Llorean on May 23, 2007, 02:26:13 PM ---Using the three stort tags would solve several problems at once, in a 100% multilingual way, without obvious negative side effects.

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I guess the problem is that I honestly don't understand how a solution that requires the user to manually edit the tags on every artist, album, and song that starts with the word "The" is considered a "solution" when it requires a notable amount of user intervention.  This is especially true given that it would require most users to use an entirely new program since many if not most of the popular media management programs (iTunes, Media Center, etc.) don't allow access to the "sort" tags individually.  I think what's needed is a way of handling this with as little user intervention as possible.

That said, what if the sort feature:

1)  Sorted by ignoring articles at the beginning of the tag, UNLESS

2)  it saw a specific character pattern at the beginning of the "sort" tag (say a double tilde "~~" for example.)

This way, ONLY the "special case" artists/albums/songs would have to be manually edited -- i.e. you'd only have to add the double tilde to the beginnings of "sort" tags where you WANTED them to sort WITH the articles.  Since this is a such a small percentage of the artists/albums/songs, this would eliminate a HUGE portion of the tag editing necessary, and for "most" artists/albums/songs it would work "by default" with no intervention needed.  It would also only require the use of a new tag editing program for people that had "special case" titles in their libraries.

3)  The behavior could be turned off.

4)  The patch would be made to work on a "per language" basis, where it only ignores articles in the language currently being used.  This could either be done by have the patch check for what language is currently being used, or by allowing the user to select the language that this feature effected.

This would take care of the language situation, it would not require the editing of the majority of tags, it would sort "special case" titles correctly, it would not require iTunes or Media Center (or other programs) users to use another tagging program, and for "most" artists/albums/songs it would work "by default" with zero invtervention needed.

Would this be an acceptable solution to the developers?  It addresses all the issues brought up without necessitating a lot of tag editing, which would make it accessible to everybody, including people that didn't know about a seperate "sort" tag (which until I read this thread included me.)

Thanks for your feedback on this,

Larry

DefineByte:

--- Quote from: Llorean on May 23, 2007, 02:26:13 PM ---I'm hardly an expert on tagging.
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I don't think anyone is. Disc subtitles, for instance, seem to flummox a lot of people.

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