ONGOING DEFAULT THEME CONTEST!!!

[ZincAlloy]

actually I think the one on the gigabeat looks oversized.. but I have not gigabeat to check.

[talos321]

This is what I'm talking about the photo on the rockbox wiki isn't what you see when you have a Gigabeat. I resized several themes to show what it looks like for the end user. When you look at the Wiki it shows a photo almost 3/4 the size of the device. Though they are a little clearer than compressed .jpg. I would say that the only two with easy to read text decent enough to read   are Black Escape and Ajax (which unfortunately are pretty barebone).

Actually these are a tad bigger than the actual screen

http://bellsouthpwp2.net/z/a/zasylum/Cabbie2AA.jpg

http://bellsouthpwp2.net/z/a/zasylum/Cabbie2Menu.jpg

http://bellsouthpwp2.net/z/a/zasylum/menu.jpg

http://bellsouthpwp2.net/z/a/zasylum/BlackEscape.jpg

[ZincAlloy]

that's still pretty large. helvr10 on my iriver is smaller.



edit: I just realized: not only do we not have the graphics for the h10 port, the wps can't even be downloaded at this point... looks like I have to build it from scratch.

[pixelma]

actually I think the one on the gigabeat looks oversized.. but I have not gigabeat to check.

If you can't watch it on the target's display you can't say anything about the size. Your monitor most probably has different pixel dimensions and I've seen an Ipod Video display which already has quite tiny pixels and I've heard that the Gigabeat's display is even a bit smaller. Have a look at the picture in the second post of this thread which shows differences between the targets. To go further: imagine that the Nano's display (176x132 pixels wide) is physically smaller than the Ondio's display (112x64, rectangular pixels...) which you can see in above mentioned picture.

Speaking of which... I'll attach a gif which (a) show the Archos port on my Ondio and (b) makes the rectangular pixels very obvious (just as another proof that there can be great differences between the sim and the "real thing").

A few notes about the Archos port itself:

• I chose rockfont-8 because it has some more characters than the default. A 9 pixels tall font would probably work too but there aren't many. The only one acceptable in my eyes is nedore-9 but it doesn't even have cyrillic, greek, hebrew (yet) and in some case I already find it a bit too big myself though I use nedore-9 in my own theme.
• My intention was to make the graphics look a bit 3D-like too, even with black and white.
• I only added the next song info/playlist position line because the gap looked weird otherwise. The next song info is a bit special here because it is only available when the next song is already buffered which means only about 1 or 1.5 minutes before the start of the next track (depending on the bitrate of your mp3) on these devices. That's why I filled the line with the playlist position if the next track info is not available. There is a known problem with refreshing dynamic content on scrolling lines (FS #7006 ) so that I force the update as mentioned there with alternating sublines; I found that a time of 5 or 6 seconds works quite well without being obvious in most cases. But - I'm open to suggestions about this line.
• I can't test the battery "charging" and "powered" icons as well as the repeat-AB icons on my Ondio as those features are not available there but the Archos Recorders should have it.
• Some icons (for example "play") are part of the static background.bmp to reduce the number of bitmaps that needs to be loaded as each additional file increases loading time (hence boot time) - to be discussed.
• I'll post the zip with a "normal" screenshot to the wiki tomorrow... quite late here.

About the development in other ports:
I still think that the c200 version could use a font that's a bit smaller but not as small as crzyboyster's second version (nimbus-10 is quite nice) and the album art there could be a tad bit bigger. In another thread I mentioned I tried myself with 40x40 pictures and this is in my opinion the minimum. Maybe I can post a real photo of it too if someone's interested.

[crzyboyster]

ZincAlloy: don't mourn yet! look at http://www.misticriver.net/forums/rockbox-h10-series/56970-default-theme-contest-cabbie-2-0-5-6gb-version.html
a little bit down on that page, there is a download for the h10 version available.
You can also message the poster about the psd source.
Good luck!

EDIT: very nice job, pixelma! You made an awesome port for such a tiny screened player! Also, we will probably need to go through all of the ports once and add unifont support for practically all of them and finx bugs that may have cropped up and also unify all of them.

Also, I'm pretty sure the nimbus-10 font is the same size as the helvR10 font that I'm using right now. Also, one of the requirements is to "have the same feel" for the theme across targets. Nimbus on one just doesn't fit the bill.

Other comments welcome!


EDIT 2: Wow, I sure do type "also" a lot in my replies, don't I?  

[pixelma]

Also, I'm pretty sure the nimbus-10 font is the same size as the helvR10 font that I'm using right now. Also, one of the requirements is to "have the same feel" for the theme across targets. Nimbus on one just doesn't fit the bill.

Nimbus-10 would give you exactly 8 lines on the c200 display - in the screenshot I only see 6 lines (in the browser) that's why I think that font takes 12 pixels in height. And about the same feel... that's why I'm suggesting Nimbus too, as there are a few sizes of it. For example Nimbus-19 is nice on an Ipod Video display too (I was a bit surprised myself when I had the possibility, judging from the sim I always thought that this font is too big...)

[crzyboyster]

Well, we can't just change the font for one of them. And using nimbus changes the whole feel of the theme.

[AlexP]

I would just like to reiterate how different the target and the sim looks - I always need a much bigger font than I think I will from looking at the sim on the gigabeat.  I currently use a 16 pt font and that is the absolute minimum I would consider using.

[ZincAlloy]

16? wow... that would put things out of proportion for sure. I might need to redesign this one.

pixelma, great job on the archos version!

crzyboyster: thank you, makes it much easier. I didn't realize this forum is hard to use 

should we make an ipod mini port based on the h100/ipod4g version? We obviously can't decide for a uniform look for greyscale targets but each one looks ok on its own to me.

[GodEater]

Personal opinions are going to differ on font size. I like the size it is already on the Gigabeat - 16 would be way too big for me.

[AlexP]

Personal opinions are going to differ on font size. I like the size it is already on the Gigabeat - 16 would be way too big for me.

Sure, that is normal.  However, the point remains that you can only really have that discussion if you have seen it on target, since it does look very different.  Any, it isn't a massive deal for me as if I were to use this theme, I would change it to have a better (for me) font size anyway.  Whatever happens it is better than the current default.

[ZincAlloy]

what are the screen dimensions of the gigabeat (in cm or inch) of the gigabeat?


edit: made a completely new version for the h10 5gb

edit: I'll take care of the ipod mini port now.

edit: nearly done. however, the greys in the backdrop won't display correctly, even though I used the two shades that should work correctly. any idea what went wrong? 
edit: nevermind. we found out what went wrong.

[talos321]

Gigabeat Screen Size

Edit:
1.5 W Inch x1.78 H Inch

3.8cm w  x 4.5cm h

I would a agree it is better than the default too.
I can pick around altering it till it is viewable.
Although I haven't gotten into making themes.

[tweak]

To any who may be interested I made some changes to the IPOD 5g Cabbie default 2.0 WPS. The below code ads two alternating lines below the time bar, original code then volume db and codex info at 4 second intervals. In addition, I removed the year from the current playing song to enable the use of a bigger font, helvB12-L1, and capitalized next song with multiple ":" on each side for better contrast from the track information.

Code: [Select]

# cabbie 2.0 default
# (C) 2007, Johannes Voggenthaler (Zinc Alloy)
#derived from "cabbie" (C) Yohann Misquitta
%wd
%X|wpsbackdrop.bmp|0|0|
%P|pb.bmp|
%xl|A|lockclosed.bmp|91|207|
%xl|B|lockopen.bmp|91|207|
%xl|C|battpl.bmp|126|207|
%xl|D|battch.bmp|126|207|
%xl|E|batt00.bmp|126|207|
%xl|F|batt01.bmp|126|207|
%xl|G|batt02.bmp|126|207|
%xl|H|batt03.bmp|126|207|
%xl|I|batt04.bmp|126|207|
%xl|J|batt05.bmp|126|207|
%xl|K|batt06.bmp|126|207|
%xl|L|batt07.bmp|126|207|
%xl|M|vol0.bmp|177|207|
%xl|N|vol1.bmp|177|207|
%xl|O|vol2.bmp|177|207|
%xl|P|vol3.bmp|177|207|
%xl|Q|vol4.bmp|177|207|
%xl|b|vol5.bmp|177|207|
%xl|c|vol6.bmp|177|207|
%xl|d|vol7.bmp|177|207|
%xl|e|vol8.bmp|177|207|
%xl|R|shuffle.bmp|218|211|
%xl|S|repeatall.bmp|261|207|
%xl|T|repeatone.bmp|261|207|
%xl|U|repeatshuffle.bmp|261|207|
%xl|V|repeatab.bmp|261|207|
%xl|W|stop.bmp|286|207|
%xl|X|play.bmp|286|207|
%xl|Y|pause.bmp|286|207|
%xl|Z|ff.bmp|286|207|
%xl|a|rew.bmp|286|207|
%Cl|16|32|s120|s120|
%pb|15|10|310|162|
#NowPlaying

%?C<%s%m|153|%al%?ia<%ia|%?d2<%d2|(Searching)>>|%s%ac%?ia<%ia|%?d2<%d2|(Searching)>>>
%?C<%s%m|153|%al%?it<%it|%fn>|%s%ac%?it<%it|%fn>>
%?C<%s%m|153|%al%?id<%id|%?d1<%d1|(Searching)>>|%s%ac%?id<%id|%?d1<%d1|(Searching)>>>
%?C<%s%m|153|%alNEXT SONG:|%ac::::::::::::: NEXT SONG :::::::::::::>
%?C<%s%m|153|%al%?It<%It|%Fn>|%s%ac%?It<%It|%Fn>>
%?C<%s%m|153|%al%Ia|%s%ac%Ia>


%al%pc%ac%t4%pp of %pe%ar%pr;%ac%t4volume: %pv   

%?mh<%xdA|%xdB>


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%?ps<%xdR>
%?mm<|%xdS|%xdT|%xdU|%xdV>
%?mp<%xdW|%xdX|%xdY|%xdZ|%xda>
%?C<%C>

[ZincAlloy]

Ok, iPod Mini theme is up. Now I only need to make some more unifont versions.

talos, imho the font size isn't bad at all when I resize a gigabeat screenshot to it's actual size.