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Support and General Use => Hardware => Topic started by: rox on February 13, 2020, 04:54:24 PM

Title: iPod Classic model indication & RockBox Utility
Post by: rox on February 13, 2020, 04:54:24 PM
Hello there,

it is been some long period of time i have been there. Some years ago i managed to install Rockbox on my iPod Classic and it works till these days. But now i found i have to move forward so i decided to upgrade m i Pod Classic 160GB into the iFlash Solo mod.

As i see many things changed since my last visit here. So first i need some base informations and confirmations about my iPod Classic.

1. MODEL INDICATION
i have iPod Classic 160GB, the black thick model. What Rockbox build (i.e. what type) in Rockbox language does stand for my thick black iPod Classic 160GB? Is it "iPod Video", or "iPod 6th gen (classic)"? As i remember it should be "iPod Video". But can you confirm, please? I do not want softbrick my iPod.
* because there is a hassle with iPod Classic typology. Somewhere my iPod stands for 5.5G, somewhere for 6G, while the latest 2009 slim versions stands for 7G/7.5G/8G, etc.

2. ROCKBOX UTILITY VS. BOOTLOADER
Does the Rockbox utility work for all iPod Classic models now? As i remmember there was some bootloader issue/limitation for my model at the time (approx. 5 years ago) and i had to use external EmCore bootloader for my iPod. Is it fixed now, is it history? I guess so;)
And does it work on Windows 7 Pro 32-bit system?

Many thanks for your replies :)
Title: Re: iPod Classic model indication & RockBox Utility
Post by: saratoga on February 13, 2020, 05:18:16 PM
You have a 6g, and can use the normal rockbox utility to install.  See: https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodClassicPort

However, many people report that those iFlash adapters do not work well with rockbox, so you may or may not actually be able to use rockbox on your device.  If you do, you may want to use the Apple firmware to copy files over to reduce the risk of data corruption.
Title: Re: iPod Classic model indication & RockBox Utility
Post by: rox on February 14, 2020, 06:24:54 AM
Just to be sure: does RockBox make some distinction in between iPod 6G (2008) 80GB/160GB models and the latest iPod 6G (2009) 120GB/160GB? What is the iPod Video here? As i remember i choosed manual install with EmCore together with iPod Video dev build..

As for the iFlash: what do you suggest is to always transfer files (mp3s) via iTunes only, then to switch to RockBox and normally play mp3?
Title: Re: iPod Classic model indication & RockBox Utility
Post by: gevaerts on February 14, 2020, 07:51:46 AM
You remember wrong.

All classics are similar enough to be treated as the same model. The ipod video is not a classic and is very different. Emcore only runs on the classic (and ipod nano 2g IIRC, which is similar)
Title: Re: iPod Classic model indication & RockBox Utility
Post by: Frankenpod on February 14, 2020, 03:48:08 PM
As for the iFlash: what do you suggest is to always transfer files (mp3s) via iTunes only, then to switch to RockBox and normally play mp3?

No need to use iTunes.  Transfer files with drag-and-drop, but with Ipod in OF mode.  Then switch to Rockbox.  You _could_ use iTunes to transfer if you really wanted to, but you'll end up with stupid file names, making the file-browser useless.
Title: Re: iPod Classic model indication & RockBox Utility
Post by: rox on February 15, 2020, 11:03:32 AM
You remember wrong.

All classics are similar enough to be treated as the same model. The ipod video is not a classic and is very different. Emcore only runs on the classic (and ipod nano 2g IIRC, which is similar)


Ok, it is more than 5 years ago now;) Anyway, it seems that the EmCore was necesarry just for iPod Classic rev. 2008 (thick models), correct?

So how about EmCore today? Is it a history or is it still part of Rockbox Utility?
Anyway, Rockbox Utility works same for all iPod Classic 6G models now, am i right?
Title: Re: iPod Classic model indication & RockBox Utility
Post by: rox on February 15, 2020, 11:11:10 AM
As for the iFlash: what do you suggest is to always transfer files (mp3s) via iTunes only, then to switch to RockBox and normally play mp3?

No need to use iTunes.  Transfer files with drag-and-drop, but with Ipod in OF mode.  Then switch to Rockbox.  You _could_ use iTunes to transfer if you really wanted to, but you'll end up with stupid file names, making the file-browser useless.

Yeah, i know that normally i do not need iTunes data transfer. But Saratoga recommends the data transfer via iTunes to prevent the data corruption with usage of iFlash adapter - and this why asked about that i.e. because of the iFlash adapter. So is it somehow possible to use data transfers via iTunes on Rockboxed iPod Classic? 
Title: Re: iPod Classic model indication & RockBox Utility
Post by: Frankenpod on February 15, 2020, 11:29:48 AM
No, you misunderstand.  The recommendation isn't "transfer via iTunes" but "transfer with the ipod in OF mode rather than rockbox mode".  That doesn't need iTunes.  As I said, no need to use iTunes - doing so doesn't gain you anything, whether you have a flash adaptor or not, other than, I suppose, allowing you to play music in the original firmware mode as well as rockbox mode (but only assuming you aren't exceeding the limitations of the original firmware with number of tracks or size of storage).
Title: Re: iPod Classic model indication & RockBox Utility
Post by: rox on February 17, 2020, 08:00:38 AM
I am sorry to ask that. But can you tell me what "OF" means? Does it mean an offline mode? How do i enter in OF mode? If is it a safer way for data transfer with iFlashed iPod, i will certainly go this way.

And does Rockbox work same with all 6G models now, thick and slim? Rockbox does not make any differences between iPod Classic rev. 2008 and 2009?
Title: Re: iPod Classic model indication & RockBox Utility
Post by: Frankenpod on February 19, 2020, 05:10:28 PM
"Original Firmware Mode".

With the dual-boot method you can boot into OF mode and copy files across.  That avoids disk corruption problems.

However if you have a 6G you will run into the problem of the 128gb limit thing, so that won't work.

The earlier classics (80, fat 160, 120) have that lba28 limitation thing, the final ones (slim 160, firmware 2.0.4 and 2.0.5) don't.  So in practice they are significantly different.

With the earlier models you have to just hope you can get lucky and copy stuff in rockbox mode without corruption issues - some people apparently find that works for them, but some don't (hence constant requests for help with that issue on here).
Title: Re: iPod Classic model indication & RockBox Utility
Post by: saratoga on February 19, 2020, 05:19:16 PM
I thought saying that you could use the Apple firmware to copy files was pretty clear :) 

But what I meant was reboot into the Apple firmware, plug the device into your USB port, and then copy files to it using the software or operating system of your choice. 
Title: Re: iPod Classic model indication & RockBox Utility
Post by: rox on February 20, 2020, 08:23:27 AM
Yeah, i know that i still have a choice to use original Apple firmware and iTunes to copy the files (instead of Rockbox) ;D

But it sounded to me that i can boot in original Apple firmware while i have Rockbox on my iPod. So is dual boot possible i.e. is it possible to boot in original Apple firmware on the Rockboxed iPod? If so, how?

Sorry for my questioning about that, but i am not an Rockbox expert;) I did not touch Rockbox setup on my iPod Classic for 6 years.
Title: Re: iPod Classic model indication & RockBox Utility
Post by: Frankenpod on February 27, 2020, 02:12:34 PM
Dual boot is possible, if you follow the instructions for installing with the current install utility.

But it won't help much if you are using a 6th gen and more than 128gb, as when in OF mode you won't have access to the whole drive.

You have to either use a different model of ipod, stick to 128gb, or (if you are lucky) never boot into OF mode and hope you can get away with syncing in rockbox mode (as some people apparently have managed to do - though I think they are a minority and just got lucky).