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Title: any good player with folder structure?
Post by: InGearX on October 20, 2017, 04:09:57 AM
I love SanDisk ones ... Clip+ and Clip Zip ... is no longer manufactured ... hard to find them and/or expensive ...

I did try a Chinese copy ... it was garbage I returned it back to Amazon

why doesn't SanDisk support file structure by default?

what are our options? what is a good alternative replacement? with and without RockBox support

my priorities:

amazon listing of all "MP3 PLAYER" search:

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=mp3+player&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Amp3+player



SanDisk seems to support it now

SanDisk SDMX28-016G-G46K Clip Sport Plus MP3 Player, 16GB (Black)

Quote
Question: Does this support folder Navigation?
Answer: yes I loaded it with several folders and was able to independently open each
https://www.amazon.com/ask/questions/Tx19C5OB29SXVNJ/ref=ask_dp_lsw_al_hza?asin=B01LW2F237\\

I wish it would also open .txt text files (where I have lyrics) :)
I asked: "can it open .txt text files in folders? I have my lyrics as file.txt for each file.mp3 stored like that - can you please try to put a .txt and open it"

https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-SDMX28-016G-G46K-Sport-Player-Black/dp/B01LW2F237/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1508486212&sr=8-5&keywords=sandisk+clip


or copies like this

AGPTEK A12 8GB Clip Bluetooth Mp3 Player, Sports Clip Hi-Fi Sound Music Player with FM Radio, 1.1inch OLED, Sweatproof Silicone Case, Support up to 128GB, Dark Blue
https://www.amazon.com/AGPTEK-Bluetooth-1-1inch-Sweatproof-Silicone/dp/B073TTR7CZ/ref=sr_1_20_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1508486212&sr=8-20-spons&keywords=sandisk+clip&psc=1

HONGYU X50 16GB Clip Bluetooth MP3 Player for Running ,1.5 Inch Display Mini Portable Music Player with FM Radio / Voice Record (Support up to 64GB- Black)
https://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Running-Display-Portable-Support/dp/B07569PXSN/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1508486310&sr=8-4&keywords=mp3+clip


or what is a good choice?


thank you ...
Title: Re: any good player with folder structure?
Post by: Mullins on October 30, 2017, 02:09:28 PM
Hi InGearX

Those SanDisk players you mentioned are no longer manufactured because SanDisk have their newer model in production, the SanDisk Clip Jam. The Amazon.com link is here (black model): https://www.amazon.com/Sandisk-8GB-Clip-Player-Black/dp/B00VXMY262

It has folder structure, a microSD slot (I have tested up to 64GB), is solidly built and has surprisingly good sound quality. I did read prior to my own purchase of the player than the battery had been changed from the previous models and does not last as long. This I can confirm. However I play 320kbps mp3 files and often at max volume in my car due to the quiet nature of the radio it feeds into. So this is likely not considered "normal" use. I use it for probably 4-5 hours a day and it would likely last 2 days on a full charge. For playing lower bitrate tracks and at a more sensible volume I'm sure it would last several more hours. And it seems to charge very quickly which is good.

I have been looking at the AGPTEK A12 8GB Clip player myself and have heard good things. But it doesn't seem to have anything over the Clip Jam. The battery sounds like it may be better from their battery life stats, but those aren't generally that accurate for real use. Perhaps Bluetooth is a selling point for you, otherwise I would suggest going with the SanDisk as it is a trusted brand and there are many more reviews, etc for the Clip Jam verifying it's quality.
Title: Re: any good player with folder structure?
Post by: InGearX on October 31, 2017, 05:38:13 AM
Hi InGearX

Those SanDisk players you mentioned are no longer manufactured because SanDisk have their newer model in production, the SanDisk Clip Jam. The Amazon.com link is here (black model): https://www.amazon.com/Sandisk-8GB-Clip-Player-Black/dp/B00VXMY262

It has folder structure, a microSD slot (I have tested up to 64GB), is solidly built and has surprisingly good sound quality. I did read prior to my own purchase of the player than the battery had been changed from the previous models and does not last as long. This I can confirm. However I play 320kbps mp3 files and often at max volume in my car due to the quiet nature of the radio it feeds into. So this is likely not considered "normal" use. I use it for probably 4-5 hours a day and it would likely last 2 days on a full charge. For playing lower bitrate tracks and at a more sensible volume I'm sure it would last several more hours. And it seems to charge very quickly which is good.

I have been looking at the AGPTEK A12 8GB Clip player myself and have heard good things. But it doesn't seem to have anything over the Clip Jam. The battery sounds like it may be better from their battery life stats, but those aren't generally that accurate for real use. Perhaps Bluetooth is a selling point for you, otherwise I would suggest going with the SanDisk as it is a trusted brand and there are many more reviews, etc for the Clip Jam verifying it's quality.
thank you good info
Title: Re: any good player with folder structure?
Post by: spudmachine on October 31, 2017, 02:38:03 PM
Hello,
I wonder if you good people could clarify what you mean by folder structure and folder navigation.  The reason I ask is that I have been desperate to find a new, low cost MP3 player that has the same feature as the amazing Creative Stone players of years gone by.  For those of you not familiar with the Stone.

- When you plug the Stone into a PC it is recognized as a disc drive (pretty standard unless you are an iPod).
- You can create multiple folder on the drive, like "Album 1", "Album 2", etc.
- Then you drag a bunch of songs into each folder.

- When playing the songs there is a "previous track", "next track" thing on the circular control.  Again, pretty standard for MP3 players.
- But the magic of the Stone is that there's a slider switch on the side.  When you slide this it jumps to the first track of the next folder.

Unless you've experienced this you may not appreciate how incredibly simple and intuitive this makes the creation of play lists, and navigation without the need for a screen.

As far as I'm aware "shuffle" mode is really just random play - which I think the Stone also supported, but I never bothered with it because the folder navigation was so amazing.

From the discussion above do I dare to hope that the Sansa Jam supports this feature?  And if so, is it as simple as just pressing one button to jump to the next folder?

Cheers,
SPuD
Title: Re: any good player with folder structure?
Post by: Mullins on November 19, 2017, 08:20:22 AM
Hi spudmachine

So by folder structure/navigation we mean the user is able to navigate their music library as if you were viewing it on a PC. The folders will display exactly as you created them when placing the music on the player. So for example, on your computer you create a main "Music" folder and inside that you have "Michael Jackson" and inside that you have "Thriller". On a PC that would look something like I:\Music\Michael Jackson\Thriller. With a player that supports folder structure, you can navigate these folders on the player itself, so you would open the "Music" folder, locate the "Michael Jackson" folder, then "Thriller" and inside there would be the album's tracks for you to select and play. Many mp3 players use a more simplified system where it sorts the library itself and you can only navigate by Artist, Album, etc. The Clip Jam has both systems. Both have their pros and cons, but many find folder navigation can be very useful. I use both equally, so it is nice to have both.

Unfortunately I'm not familiar with the Stone, but I have had Creative players in the past and they also had this folder structure (that may be different on the Stone, not sure). When you plug in the Clip Jam the computer recognises it as a storage device, no different to a memory stick or the like. You drag and drop music folder to folder, or can use software to do the same job if you prefer that. It also has previous and next buttons and a lock function to stop you accidentally pressing buttons in your pocket.

There is not a dedicated button to jump to the next album, but there may be functionality for the player to automatically play the next album when the current album finishes. I am not sure. Mine is set up to repeat the entire album when it reaches the end. I've had a quick look through the settings and couldn't see anything obvious that would achieve what you want, but it may be there somewhere. Fortunately, the benefit of a player with tactile buttons and not slider wheels or touch screen means it is very easy to navigate the player without looking at it. In four quick button presses I could get the next album playing without actually looking at the player. Very handy if you use the player while driving, cycling, etc. Obviously this takes a little while to get the hang of, and it's not as easy as your Stone method, but it's still a lot easier than a lot of players.

You mentioned creating playlists, and for the Clip Jam you can create playlists extremely easily. On your PC you can use software like foobar2000, drag and drop the tracks you want and then save that compilation as an *.m3u file on the player. Done. You can create playlists on the player itself, but it feels like it would take a much longer time.

I hope that helps.