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Title: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: boxrock on August 02, 2012, 08:17:57 AM
I purchased an iPod Classic 160gb and have just installed Rockbox onto it, battery life seems fine, audio quality is superb and it's really easy to use. Are there any bugs I should watch out for as it says it's unstable?  ::)
Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: gevaerts on August 02, 2012, 08:38:20 AM
"stable", "unstable" and "unusable" aren't really based on number of bugs. Basically for a target to promote from "unusable" to "unstable", it has to be considered ready by developers, *and* it has to be installable using only tools from rockbox.org. To then promote to "stable", again developers have to agree it's ready, but additionally e.g. the manual must be available.

For the Classic, the main thing holding it back in "unusable" is the lack of a rockbox.org installation method.

(note that the installation package on freemyipod.org contains a rather old rockbox build, many important improvements have been made since then, so make sure you install a recent build afterwards)
Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: boxrock on August 02, 2012, 08:40:35 AM
How do I update?
Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: saratoga on August 02, 2012, 09:25:09 AM
Download a new build an unzip it to your player.  Alternatively, use rockbox utility and install a newer build.
Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: [Saint] on August 06, 2012, 02:41:34 AM
It not immediately obvious where one might actually get an updated build for the Classic from, as it isn't offered via the release/development builds page(s). So, here:

rockbox-ipod6g.zip (http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-ipod6g.zip)



[Saint]
Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: sportscrazed2 on August 06, 2012, 02:16:22 PM
Quick question if i was to buy one would i be able to install rockbox using a computer running ubuntu?   
Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: saratoga on August 06, 2012, 02:31:55 PM
Quick question if i was to buy one would i be able to install rockbox using a computer running ubuntu?   

Well we provide install directions for linux, so ...
Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: sportscrazed2 on August 06, 2012, 04:18:11 PM
fair enough thanks
Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: Gravylake on August 07, 2012, 01:12:30 PM
It not immediately obvious where one might actually get an updated build for the Classic from, as it isn't offered via the release/development builds page(s). So, here:

rockbox-ipod6g.zip (http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-ipod6g.zip)



[Saint]

Hi,
  I've been using the version from freemyipod.org for a while, and I'm pretty happy with it except for the occasional usb freeze ups.  I thought I'd give this version a try, but after installing it, usb doesn't seem to work at all.  A "Removable device" appears in My Computer when connected, but no files are visible.

   I was able to restore the freemyipod version by rebooting to the Rockbox fallback image from the boot menu, but I would still like to try a newer build.  Any pointers?

Thanks
Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: gevaerts on August 07, 2012, 02:52:14 PM
That link always points to the latest version
Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: boxrock on August 07, 2012, 04:42:39 PM
It not immediately obvious where one might actually get an updated build for the Classic from, as it isn't offered via the release/development builds page(s). So, here:

rockbox-ipod6g.zip (http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-ipod6g.zip)



[Saint]

thanks I looked everywhere for the update but couldn't find it!
Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: Debug on August 10, 2012, 10:05:28 PM
Hi guys

The Rockbox site refers to the EmCore release here for Classic 6g:

http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Releases/r859

Is this release different from the link you've provided?

Sadly the emcore version crashes very often on playing.  Maybe someone knows a tip to get it to work better?

Thanks



Post Merge: August 10, 2012, 10:50:48 PM
Oh wait, this is a much newer version - thanks for posting the link.

Very intuitive - it detects the new version and asks ... reboot ? Wonderful!

Thanks
Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: Gearbox on August 20, 2012, 12:08:47 AM
I installed the latest release linked by Saint. Before that was using the one at freemyipod. So far it has been excellent, the older release hung twice while building up the database however the new one is working fine. Currently I've put barely 40 songs. Going to put in more now as the ipod no longer hangs up while building database files. Will try experiment with as many song formats as possible.

The problems I am facing is that the battery is now draining a bit fast that it was earlier, so lowered the LCD brightness to compensate. I directly copied 320 kbps mp3's which I had. Would playing these be more taxing on the battery than the apple's AAC format files ?

Secondly rockbox doesn't seem to differentiate the charging from a wall charger to that of the USB charging. If you don't hold any button while plugging the wall charger in it goes into USB connect mode. Not an issue really, just saying.

I am really thankful for rockbox as nothing like having a hell lot of formats to play in the ipod directly plus the ease of drag and drop with the original filenames intact. Simple things are better. Will try to contribute as much as I can in detailed feedbacks.
Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: Debug on August 20, 2012, 09:39:31 PM
Hi There

Thanks for proving this link.  How do you know if the file is updated i.e. a new version is released?

Its not possible to tell from the link alone.



It not immediately obvious where one might actually get an updated build for the Classic from, as it isn't offered via the release/development builds page(s). So, here:

rockbox-ipod6g.zip (http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-ipod6g.zip)



[Saint]

thanks I looked everywhere for the update but couldn't find it!
Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: saratoga on August 20, 2012, 10:05:55 PM
Thanks for proving this link.  How do you know if the file is updated i.e. a new version is released?

That link is updated everytime there is a new commit to git, that is, several times per day.
Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: Gearbox on August 25, 2012, 12:39:41 AM
Since its been a few days of getting familiar with the rockbox on the classic 160,

Battery drain is significant even on standby (that is not going to sleep). Even while playing mp3's there's 1% drop in battery gauge for every 5-6 mins of playback at half the volume.  Harddrive spool uptime is a lot, I am not sure if there's any setting for buffering as such. The harddrive seems to be spooling even when fast forwarding a track. I am not using the EQ as of now since battery life is now 1/5th on standby and 1/3 on playback than what it used to be.

If sleep timer is engaged, 2/10 times I am getting this error when trying to wake it up. Sometimes the error comes up when a song is paused and hold switch is activated for like 5-10 mins (sleep timer is set to 30 mins)
Quote
*PANIC*
Prefetch abort at E59FF018
FSR : 0000003C (domain 3, fault 12)

The charging rate seems to be fast, the battery goes from 50 to 100% in just half an hour. A full charge takes 2 hours while originally it used to be 3-4 hours.
 What's the battery capacity of the Classic 160gb ipod made after 2008 ? The default capacity set is at 550mAh only.
Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: gevaerts on August 25, 2012, 07:09:59 AM
Which rockbox revision are you using?
Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: Debug on August 30, 2012, 11:30:48 AM
That's great - how do you know the file is updated?

It links to the same file name?? Can you please add version numbers or a version ID somewhere?

Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: saratoga on August 30, 2012, 01:34:21 PM
Can you please add version numbers or a version ID somewhere?

The rockbox-info.txt file included in every build contains the exact git version used for the build. 
Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: AlexP on August 30, 2012, 04:02:06 PM
It is also in System --> Rockbox Info, and is shown on boot (although this may be too quick to read).
Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: Debug on September 01, 2012, 05:41:39 AM
Thanks guys

You still cannot see if the link content was updated :(
Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: torne on September 01, 2012, 09:54:01 AM
There is a new build multiple times per day, so the answer is "it's always updated" :)
Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: Injection on September 17, 2012, 03:27:16 PM
Hi! I'm planning to buy a brand new iPod Classic 7G (or 3G) so I have a few questions before I buy it. Today I tried Rockbox on my old Phillips mp3 player and I felt in love with it :)

Will I lose my warranty if I put Rockbox on my iPod? Is there any possibility to destroy my brand new iPod? And last, I'm sure that it's possible to return to stock Apple's firmware, right?

And a few questions about sound. How is the sound quality and loudness compared to stock Apple firmware? I saw that iPod with stock firmware lacks in bass and that the volume is just to low for us who like to listen our music loud. There's also no custom EQ on iPod which is a major minus for me. And last, stock firmware's EQ distorts the sound. Any improvements on Rockbox?

And one more question  ;D Does it work with docks as before? I have a iPod dock on my hi-fi and I want to be able to play audio and charge my classic in dock.

Thanks!
Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: [Saint] on September 17, 2012, 07:51:46 PM
Will I lose my warranty if I put Rockbox on my iPod?

Yes.

Is there any possibility to destroy my brand new iPod?

Following the installation instructions (http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic) as given, no.

And last, I'm sure that it's possible to return to stock Apple's firmware, right?

Yes.

How is the sound quality and loudness compared to stock Apple firmware?

Vastly superior.

Does it work with docks as before?

It may do, it may not. It is very "hit and miss" with dock support. If the dock expects to find an iPod specifically, you might have a problem, as the iPod Accessory Protocol (the language in which iPods<->accessories communicate with each other) is not fully implemented in Rockbox. If your stereo can read from standard USB mass storage, then you will (read: "should") be able to play the files from this device fine.

Thanks!

Not a problem, if you have any more questions or would like anything covered here explained in more detail, please don't hesitate to ask.


[Saint]
Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: Injection on September 19, 2012, 03:26:25 AM
Thanks for answering all my questions!

How do they now that Rocbkox was on the device, when it is on warranty? Is this similar to flashing an Android phone (so they can see in flash counter) or?

I think my stereo just pick up analog audio out from 30 pin connector, so it would probably work with Rockbox.

But nothing from Rockbox if I lose my warranty. I have bad luck with all devices so the iPod would die at least once during warranty time (as all my mobile phones, laptops, stereos and other devices  ;D).
Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: [Saint] on September 19, 2012, 03:36:45 AM
How do they now that Rocbkox was on the device, when it is on warranty? Is this similar to flashing an Android phone (so they can see in flash counter) or?

No, no flash counter.

It essentially relies on you being a good citizen. Although, there is certainly a possibility that the device could fail in such a way that disallowed you to remove Rockbox before a warranty claim, in which case (if they bothered checking) I would expect the Geniuses to laugh you out of their hipster Apple store.



[Saint]
Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: Injection on September 19, 2012, 08:04:22 AM
I'm not a good citizen  ;D Once I had a COWON mp3 player which I connected on a broken power amplifier and it burned Cowon's output (probably a voltage on power amplifier's input) so I bring it to the service and said "it stopped working itself". It was less than a month old and I got my money back because they didn't have such device any more.

I knew that there is such a possibility. The same is with Android phones. But I think that they have an option to reset the phone even if it's broken.

Quote
I would expect the Geniuses to laugh you out of their hipster Apple store.

Lol  ;D I easily get angry so, they can try but they won't survive the night  :P

(just kidding)

Usually I don't like Apple, but iPod is the only thing that I planned to buy. There is no other player with that amount of storage in my country so it's the only option, but Rocbkox would be a great solution to get rid off iTunes and other Apple's bullshits.

Thanks on your help!
Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: AlexP on September 19, 2012, 04:10:48 PM
Deliberately defrauding Cowon is nothing to be proud of.
Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: Injection on September 20, 2012, 02:29:43 AM
So Classic is my only option if I want a HDD player with at least 160 GB? There are also Archos players but they probably have less quality than iPod. I felt in love with Cowon X7 but I was reading a lot and seems that it's not a quality player. Furthermore, it has a better sound quality than iPod but this can be fixed with rockboxing iPod  ;)
Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: Johnathan327 on December 17, 2018, 04:29:50 AM
There were seven generations of the iPod Classic, as well as a spin-off (the iPod Photo) that was later re-integrated into the main iPod line. All generations used a 1.8-inch (46 mm) hard drive for storage liteblue (https://liteblue.me).
Title: Re: iPod 160gb Classic - excellent!
Post by: gevaerts on December 17, 2018, 05:51:58 AM
There were seven generations of the iPod Classic, as well as a spin-off (the iPod Photo) that was later re-integrated into the main iPod line. All generations used a 1.8-inch (46 mm) hard drive for storage.

You're confusing the iPod Classic with the "classic iPod". They're not the same thing.