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Title: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: Davide-NYC on February 06, 2008, 05:03:01 PM
Take a look at this adapter: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.10887
This would be great if it a) worked and b) fit.
Anyone have a ZIF drive and a 50 pin device laying around?
I would be very happy to stuff a 100GB HD into my iRiver H140.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: LambdaCalculus on February 06, 2008, 06:07:30 PM
Hey Davide! Haven't seen ya around in a while! ;)

My sister gave me her old 4G iPod color after she got a new 80GB Classic. That uses a 50-pin connector; sadly, I have no extra ZIF hard drives.

If you want, we can use it as a guinea pig (personally, she doesn't want it back). Wanna get together with Nick and have us a beer/hardware hacking night?
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: scharkalvin on February 06, 2008, 06:17:32 PM
You could also combine that with a 50pin to CF adapter (if it fits) and stuff a 32GB CF card in the H140.  The combined length of all might be less than that of the disk.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: Davide-NYC on February 08, 2008, 01:27:09 AM
@LambdaCalculus379: If either of us get their hands on a ZIF HD I'll order the adapter and we'll see what can be done!

@scharkalvin: I think you're confused a bit about what plugs into what. See photos again. ;)
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: evilnick on February 11, 2008, 12:42:01 PM
I've got the 120GB Samsung ZIF drive lying around....

...when I say "lying around" I actually mean, chucked into that white iPod Video I got from eBay!

Hmmmm, after getting round to looking at the adapter, I'm wondering whether there would be enough space for that AND the drive within the casing? It looks like this would increase the "height" too far to fit nicely.

Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: LambdaCalculus on February 11, 2008, 12:48:18 PM
Hmmm... is your ZIF drive 5mm or 8mm, Nick? We just MAY be able to squeeze it all together if the drive is thin enough.

/me knows what the answer may be
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: larry_llama on February 13, 2008, 04:37:34 PM
I think length will be a bigger problem.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: Davide-NYC on February 13, 2008, 11:37:03 PM
I have procured two broken ZIF drives. One 5mm the other 8mm. I have ordered the adapter. I believe the adapter will in fact bee too bulky, but it's worth $5 to know for sure. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: LambdaCalculus on February 14, 2008, 01:31:47 PM
Name a day and bar and get Nick to come, and we'll hack some hardware and have some beer!
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: evilnick on February 14, 2008, 04:56:17 PM
Yeah, I'm almost always up for the beers. And that h10 isn't going to fix itself... *cough cough* Lambda!
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: LambdaCalculus on February 14, 2008, 05:42:39 PM
Bring it when we get together! The Doctor shall perform surgery on it! ;)

One note: We should also try this mod with an H340...
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: Davide-NYC on February 15, 2008, 03:18:34 PM
Guys, hardware + beer = bad news. (think about it)

I'm looking into possibly securing a place to host devcon2008 but I have to convince my office-mates.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: LambdaCalculus on February 15, 2008, 03:57:40 PM
Nick says within the next two weeks are best for him, Davide. Got another place in mind?
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: juanpa74 on March 01, 2008, 11:33:03 AM
Any news on this?
I am considering upgrading my "H360". I had forgotten about it because there were no such ZIF adaptors before.
I hope it works.
Let us know!
Thanks.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: Davide-NYC on March 01, 2008, 04:02:10 PM
To all users interested in this upgrade:

The PCB that is attached to the adapter is simply too big.  :(  What we would need is a 50-pin connector with a ribbon cable soldered directly to it.  (Something that looks similar to the image attached.)

If anyone knows how to get something appropriate made in limited quantities I'd interested in hearing the details.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: Jeff on March 01, 2008, 04:20:37 PM
These may work...  i have one in hand and it has a 50 pin connector to ZIF.  However,  I would need to either cut the two Plastic guide pins off the connector on the player or off of the adapter to plug it in all the way.

Take a look

ebay link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1-8-ZIF-Hard-Disk-to-Laptop-1-8-IDE-Convert-Adapter_W0QQitemZ370027451052QQihZ024QQcategoryZ116333QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1713.m153.l1262


Photo:

(http://forums.rockbox.org/images/fun/IMG_0270.jpg)
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: Davide-NYC on March 01, 2008, 05:31:05 PM
Clarification: That is *EXACTLY* the adapter I received in the mail.

I made a quick photochop image of the adapter installed and the hard drive installed (separately) and I overlay-ed them to approximate the space problem.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: Jeff on March 01, 2008, 05:33:32 PM
Can anyone point me to a ZIF drive, used or new that I could try with it??

Edit:

Yes, the issue is with the height of the drive.   A 5mm drive may work, but an 8mm drive will not fit
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: Davide-NYC on March 01, 2008, 06:36:27 PM
IIUC you are suggesting putting a 5mm drive (+ adapter) in a H140 or H340.

I have an H140 I can test you idea with. I will take pictures. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: Jeff on March 01, 2008, 07:57:36 PM

IIUC you are suggesting putting a 5mm drive (+ adapter) in a H140 or H340.

I have an H140 I can test you idea with. I will take pictures. Stay tuned.

Yes...  I have a 140 sitting in front of me and the ZIF > IDE Adapter but no ZIF HDD.  I'm suggesting that a 5mm drive will fit but an 8mm drive will not.   That brings up the issue of capacity as the largest 5mm drives are 40GB I believe so no real benefit.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: juanpa74 on March 02, 2008, 12:19:03 AM
What about the H340?
Will it fit?
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: Davide-NYC on March 02, 2008, 12:33:46 AM

That brings up the issue of capacity as the largest 5mm drives are 40GB I believe so no real benefit.


Don't despair! There may be real benefit with a 5mm drive.  :D

The Toshiba  MK8022GAA (http://sdd.toshiba.com/main.aspx?Path=HardDrivesOpticalDrives/1.8-inchHardDiskDrives/MK8022GAA/MK8022GAASpecifications) is 80GB, has a ZIF-40 interface, and is 5mm thick.

No pricing that I could find but it look plausible. Am I missing something? (it's entirely possible)
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: Jeff on March 02, 2008, 06:59:40 PM


That brings up the issue of capacity as the largest 5mm drives are 40GB I believe so no real benefit.


Don't despair! There may be real benefit with a 5mm drive.  :D

The Toshiba  MK8022GAA (http://sdd.toshiba.com/main.aspx?Path=HardDrivesOpticalDrives/1.8-inchHardDiskDrives/MK8022GAA/MK8022GAASpecifications) is 80GB, has a ZIF-40 interface, and is 5mm thick.

No pricing that I could find but it look plausible. Am I missing something? (it's entirely possible)

No despair...  i've got a used ipod classic 80GB coming my way which I will dismantle for the hard drive for testing.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: burkjavier on March 02, 2008, 08:43:29 PM
I'm curious if anyone has tried adding a ZIF 1.8" HDD on the Gigabeat F series - 50 pin connector on the HDD side, but what looks like a ZIF(?) connector on the PCB.   I'm thinking that the adapter mentioned should work, or perhaps only the ZIF ribbon would be needed?   I will be testing this myself in a few weeks, but I'm wondering if anyone has attempted this, already.

Cheers, Brian
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: maps on March 03, 2008, 10:27:22 AM
Well, I have here a Gigabeat F, and the 60Gig Zif HDD and the adapter seen a few posts above on their way to me...
So we will hopefully know some time next week...

I will keep you posted.

Regards
Michael
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: GodEater on March 03, 2008, 12:05:35 PM
I think someone already tried this with the drive from an S60 and putting it into and F40 chassis. The Connector in the F series *looks* like a ZIF, but it isn't.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: burkjavier on March 04, 2008, 08:49:59 PM
I just got my ZIF to 50 pin adapter in the mail today and started my tests (getting my F40 to work with my ZIF based MK6008GAH - using just the ribbon did not work at all.  Using the 50 pin adapter in-between allowed the drive to spin up and be viewable on my PC, but it could never completely load.  In Windows, I saw the device but no drive letter (and nothing in Disk Management).  In Ubuntu, dmesg saw the device but there were a lot of errors, and I couldn't mount it.   Such a shame that this wonderful device cannot be upgraded to a ZIF drive.

EDIT:  This is interesting.  With the adapter, USB mode does not work, as mentioned.  However, if I copy files to the ZIF drive via alternate means and then attach the drive to the F40, it does load up Rockbox and it does play music.   Not sure if the tolerance for errors is higher, or if there's just something about USB mode that the adapter does not like.   Still not very usable, given that I'd need to pull out the hard drive every time I wanted to add files to the F40.   Plus, I can't put the darn thing back together with the extra adapter in it!   >:(

Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: petur on March 05, 2008, 03:39:51 AM
still, that's interesting... ATA access can be tweaked in Rockbox, and once we have our own USB stack there should be no more problems...

FYI: I'm working on using CF cards in iriver h1x0/h3x0, and the original firmware also doesn't like them, whereas Rockbox has been teached to love them already :)
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: NicolasP on March 05, 2008, 03:08:28 PM

I think someone already tried this with the drive from an S60 and putting it into and F40 chassis. The Connector in the F series *looks* like a ZIF, but it isn't.

After breaking the HD in my F, I attempted to use my S' HD in the F. The connector seemed to fit but making the connection just caused the F to shut down.

EDIT: Oh and I forgot to mention that LinusN apparently managed to fit an MK1011GAH (100GB, ZIF) in his H140 and boot Rockbox successfully: IRC log (http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080305#16:23:13).
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: Jeff on March 05, 2008, 05:35:13 PM

EDIT: Oh and I forgot to mention that LinusN apparently managed to fit an MK1011GAH (100GB, ZIF) in his H140 and boot Rockbox successfully: IRC log (http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080305#16:23:13).

So in theory then, the 160GB iPod Classic HDD should work as well.  ;D
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: AlexP on March 05, 2008, 06:11:15 PM

So in theory then, the 160GB iPod Classic HDD should work as well.  ;D


Well the 160GB Classic hard drive is CE-ATA not ZIF-40, so it would need a different adapter (if indeed one is available - I haven't looked).
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: LambdaCalculus on March 05, 2008, 06:42:04 PM
The drive from an 80GB Classic (Toshiba MK8022GAA) does have a ZIF40, though (from what markun and I have gathered), so those will work.

iFixit has some in stock, but they're mighty pricey, at $179.95 USD a pop:

http://www.ifixit.com/iPod-Parts/iPod-Classic-80-GB-Hard-Drive/IF130-010
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: Llorean on March 05, 2008, 07:00:48 PM
The iPod Classic is CE-ATA, not ZIF, I believe.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: LambdaCalculus on March 05, 2008, 07:10:20 PM
Found this Toshiba press release whilst searching Google:

http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2007_09/pr0602.htm
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: juanpa74 on March 05, 2008, 11:27:56 PM
Isn't CE-ATA an interface and ZIF or LIF the connector?
Just saw this: http://www.govconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=8015291
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: Llorean on March 05, 2008, 11:37:58 PM
I believe CE-ATA is both a connector and interface, while ZIF is simply a connector for IDE/ATA
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: juanpa74 on March 05, 2008, 11:39:13 PM
What adapter did he use? The one from ebay? I can't find that on the IRC log.

Also on the ZIF and CE-ATA it is clearer after I read this: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15798.0
So I can forget about using a 160GB on my "H360" for a while...  :'(



EDIT: Oh and I forgot to mention that LinusN apparently managed to fit an MK1011GAH (100GB, ZIF) in his H140 and boot Rockbox successfully: IRC log (http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080305#16:23:13).
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: LinusN on March 06, 2008, 01:42:17 AM

What adapter did he use? The one from ebay? I can't find that on the IRC log.

I used this one: http://esskabel.de/Produkte/Anschlussadapter/HDD-1.8-REV1/ADA-HDD-1.8-REV1-haupt.htm#ADA-HDD-1.8-ZIF-CF
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: Jeff on March 06, 2008, 05:54:10 AM

The iPod Classic is CE-ATA, not ZIF, I believe.

It looks as though according to Toshiba anyway that the 80GB uses an ATA 3/4 interface. (MK8022GAA)     The MK8009GAH on the other hand uses an ATA 6 interface.  Not sure if that will make a difference?
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: juanpa74 on March 08, 2008, 10:25:37 AM
I just bought an 80GB Zif hard disk (MK8009GAH) for my Iriver "H360"  ;)
The ZIF-IDE adaptor is on its way from China..
It should arrive next week but also I am going to be away from home for 2 weeks.
It will depend if the adaptor arrives before I leave, if not you will have to wait till the end of the month for the results.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: juanpa74 on March 08, 2008, 10:32:18 AM
How do you order from them?
I can't find the adapter on the english version of their site.
But the good thing is they say (in "We About Us" section)  they can "create" adaptors http://esskabel.de/English-Site/english.htm
or that is what I understood from "...we offer the possibility,customized cable assembly now to you for prototype.."
Probably expensive to order one,but if the one I ordered or the one they have don't fit in the H3xx maybe there is a chance here.


I used this one: http://esskabel.de/Produkte/Anschlussadapter/HDD-1.8-REV1/ADA-HDD-1.8-REV1-haupt.htm#ADA-HDD-1.8-ZIF-CF

Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: juanpa74 on March 12, 2008, 09:57:24 AM
EDIT2: Ok, I found it.
EDIT: Ok, I forced it even more and now it is working on the enclosure.
But now I need to know which is Pin1 on the IDE connector of the Iriver H340 or the IDE Toshiba drive.
Thanks.

Hi. Now I have the harddrive and the adaptor... but after 2 hours trying to insert the cable in the Toshiba ZIF conector. I give up! I have googled for videos or pictures or a solution on how to insert ut and couldn't find anything!!
Zero Insertion Force?? Zero? That must be a joke!
Any help please?
Thanks


I just bought an 80GB Zif hard disk (MK8009GAH) for my Iriver "H360"  ;)
The ZIF-IDE adaptor is on its way from China..
It should arrive next week but also I am going to be away from home for 2 weeks.
It will depend if the adaptor arrives before I leave, if not you will have to wait till the end of the month for the results.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: inluxication on March 13, 2008, 12:16:06 AM


What adapter did he use? The one from ebay? I can't find that on the IRC log.

I used this one: http://esskabel.de/Produkte/Anschlussadapter/HDD-1.8-REV1/ADA-HDD-1.8-REV1-haupt.htm#ADA-HDD-1.8-ZIF-CF



Linus, can you help out the less savvy on this long-awaited development?  From the quote above and the earlier IRC link I take it you used an MK1011GAH, the adapter quoted, and an H140, and it seems that you were able to reassemble everything including the rubber padding.

Is there anything tricky involved, or just pushing parts together in an obvious way?  The link you sent includes the mysterious caution "Maybe connectors must be unlocked before mounting the FPC into them and relocked after the mounting process."

What drives other than the MK1011GAH are sure to work?  From the adapter link, I guess: MK2008GAL; MK3008GAL; MK4008GAH; MK4009GAL; MK6008GAH; MK8009GAH.

Finally, following your adapter link to consider ordering, I can't find the particular ADA-HDD-1.8-ZIF-CF part on the "Preislisten" (price list, for non-German-speaking readers) link from
http://www.adapter-king.de/
nor on
http://www.ak-data.de/grelle-shop-x/index2.htm .  
My German is rudimentary but I'm not convinced that's the problem; anyway, can you help?  (I infer the adapter was in the realm of 20 Euro; don't know about the shipping to anywhere.)  Is this adapter is especially good for the purpose, or might something off ebay (more convenient in the US at least) work as well?  Aside from the exact form-factor issue, at least 3 of the 4 drives on the page you linked could have fooled me, so I wouldn't know precisely what to look for on ebay.  The adapter juanpa74 ordered is apparently electrically correct, if space-challenged in an H340; don't know if it would work in an H140.

Sorry for the many questions, but I'm trying to pin down details so that I can actually *do* this.

Thanks and best wishes,
Greg
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: LinusN on March 13, 2008, 03:02:42 AM
First of all, the ESS kabel adapter is the best suited, since the adapters on Ebay have the ZIF socket facing the other direction, which makes it harder to mount without breaking the flex strip.

Unfortunately, they do not have it for sale yet, I only got a sample for evaluation.

Any ZIF hard drive should do, provided that it has a 512-byte physical sector size. The MK8009GAH drive, for instance, has 1024-bytes physical sectors, and is not yet compatible. It requires the same kind of modification to the ATA drivers as the iPod 5.5G.

The reason I have the adapter in the first place is to see if we can use 1024-bytes sectors on the H140, but I have yet to find such a drive for testing.

There is a locking mechanism on all ZIF sockets. The text on the web page is simply a warning, so you don't try to insert the flex cable without unlocking first.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: juanpa74 on March 13, 2008, 10:52:53 AM
I guess you mean it for the H140. The MK8009GAH is working fine under rockbox for the H340.
I think I had to push harder to connect the ZIF ribbon to the hard disk because I broke (took out) the locking mechanism (It wasn't that obvious, be careful).
If I could find somewhere longer ZIF ribbon cable I think I could fit the harddisk better and close the H340. I may consider peeling the battery wrapping but I am scare I will still be pushing the hard disk too much.
Anyone knows about longer cables?
Also LinusN, let us know when those adaptors are available to purchase.

Also: How is that I don't get email notifications for the thread even though I check Notify me of replies? Is there anything else I have to set? Thanks.



The MK8009GAH drive, for instance, has 1024-bytes physical sectors, and is not yet compatible. It requires the same kind of modification to the ATA drivers as the iPod 5.5G.
......

There is a locking mechanism on all ZIF sockets. The text on the web page is simply a warning, so you don't try to insert the flex cable without unlocking first.

Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: maps on March 17, 2008, 03:26:32 AM
Just a heads up to my continuing quest for the biggest possible hdd in my mp3 player:

I have the ebay adapter mentioned before as well as the Adapter-King one.
both work, but with the ebay version I have been unable to close the players.

So far:
I have a Toshiba MK6008GAH (60GB) hdd that works in
- ipod 4G
- Gigabeat F
- iriver h120

I had to take out the battery on the iriver so that the 8mm hdd fits instead of the standard 5mm, but the iriver only needs to be portable (so used with either external battery pack or with a power supply). The Gigabeat closes without a problem and I have used it extensively on the weekend.

Now for the sad news: Adapter King only deliver to the EU, not to Asia and not to the US...
If enough people are interested maybe we could organise a group buy?

Let me know.

Oh, and does anyone have a cheap source for the MK1011GAH?
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: AlexP on March 17, 2008, 03:37:24 AM

Oh, and does anyone have a cheap source for the MK1011GAH?


I don't know about cheap, but I quite like www.span.com.

However, as I guess you are in the States, you are better off searching there as I suspect it will be cheaper on your side.  In future you may want to specify where you are from - a very large number of people here are from Europe, and you will get lots of recommendations for shops that aren't so useful for you! :)
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: maps on March 17, 2008, 05:23:58 AM
ok, Profile updated.

And span.com (at least for this hdd) attempts highway robbery...
So, any other ideas where to get the MK1011GAH from?
Worldwide, that is.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: stuffedspacedog on March 18, 2008, 10:17:48 PM
Just search eBay... I just got one for $164.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: inluxication on March 23, 2008, 08:45:55 PM

First of all, the ESS kabel adapter is the best suited, since the adapters on Ebay have the ZIF socket facing the other direction, which makes it harder to mount without breaking the flex strip.

Unfortunately, they do not have it for sale yet, I only got a sample for evaluation.

Any ZIF hard drive should do, provided that it has a 512-byte physical sector size. The MK8009GAH drive, for instance, has 1024-bytes physical sectors, and is not yet compatible. It requires the same kind of modification to the ATA drivers as the iPod 5.5G.

The reason I have the adapter in the first place is to see if we can use 1024-bytes sectors on the H140, but I have yet to find such a drive for testing.

There is a locking mechanism on all ZIF sockets. The text on the web page is simply a warning, so you don't try to insert the flex cable without unlocking first.



Linus, first, many thanks; you are unfailingly helpful.  (I'd have thanked you sooner but didn't want to clog the forum with mere pleasantries.)  Are you sure about the sector size?  A Toshiba page
http://www.toshibastorage.com/techdocs/MK4009GALTechnicalNotes-RevA.pdf
says the MK8009GAH has 512-byte sectors.  In fact every 1.8" Toshiba I checked here
http://www.toshibastorage.com/main.aspx?Path=StorageSolutions/Documentation/TechnicalLibrary-HardDiskDrivesDocumentation
has 512-byte sectors, including the MK{2,3}008GAL, MK{4,6}008GAH, MK8007GAH and MK4007GAL, MK8009GAH and MK4009GAL, and -- spec sheet elsewhere -- your MK1011GAH.  Also, if it was 1024-byte, should it have failed entirely for juanpa (which apparently it didn't), or could the result have been something like the drive having half the proper capacity (which he might not have noticed)?

Looking forward, is there any chance of adapting Toshiba's new micro-SATA 1.8" drives?  I'm guessing the ATA / SATA mismatch is a non-starter.

Too bad the only proven non-DIY adapter isn't available for sale, but hopefully this will sort itself out soon.  Please, anyone, let us know if you find an adapter that fits, in an H1xx or H3xx.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: defiler on March 24, 2008, 05:34:30 AM
Hi, everyone.  First post, so I may be missing the point, but surely if all you're interested is a 100GB H140 / Pre-5G iPod / whatever, the simpler solution would be to just get a drive with the right connector?

Looking at Samsung's web site, they seem to be catering to people wanting to put bigger drives onto the old plugs.  They have a 160GB ZIF (not CE-ATA) drive listed for launch this year, and they have a 120GB PATA drive listed here (http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/productmodel.do?group=72&type=60&subtype=68&model_cd=266&tab=spec&ppmi=1160).  The only downside I see with this drive is that it's a 5400rpm one, which will hit the battery harder than the slower units.  But would you really want to copy 120GB of music onto a slower drive?  :)

Obviously, this still puts us all at the mercy of the HDD manufacturers releasing the drives we want with the connectors we want, but at the same time I fully imagine we'll run into problems with the old players with drive sizes bigger than 120GB anyway...
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: juanpa74 on March 24, 2008, 10:51:28 AM
The MK8009GAH works fine in my Iriver H340. Only problemt is due to the shape of the ZIF-IDE adaptor I couldn't close the case of the player. Next week I will try to take some pictures and give it another try.
About not noticing the capacity... well I used the rockbox system info from the player and it said it was 80GB.  Should that be enough or should i test it in another way?



Linus, first, many thanks; you are unfailingly helpful.  (I'd have thanked you sooner but didn't want to clog the forum with mere pleasantries.)  Are you sure about the sector size?  
......
has 512-byte sectors, including the MK{2,3}008GAL, MK{4,6}008GAH, MK8007GAH and MK4007GAL, MK8009GAH and MK4009GAL, and -- spec sheet elsewhere -- your MK1011GAH.  Also, if it was 1024-byte, should it have failed entirely for juanpa (which apparently it didn't), or could the result have been something like the drive having half the proper capacity (which he might not have noticed)?

Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: juanpa74 on March 24, 2008, 10:57:29 AM
A bit missing the point because the Iriver H1xx and H3xx and Pre-5G Ipod don't have ZIF connectors. Of course if there were IDE 1.8" compatible harddisk we wouldn't complicate things. Or maybe it is because you can find much cheaper ZIF harddisk than the equivalent capacity IDE ones.
And you can also buy a broken 5G ipod ith a working harddisk which would make it even cheaper.
How much is that 120GB Samsung? If I was a millonaire maybe I would get one. Or simply just get a 160gb ipod Classic. But I love rockbox and I love my iriver H340.
Damn Iriver.. if they hadn't forgotten the harddisk mp3 players line...



Hi, everyone.  First post, so I may be missing the point, but surely if all you're interested is a 100GB H140 / Pre-5G iPod / whatever, the simpler solution would be to just get a drive with the right connector?

Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: defiler on March 24, 2008, 11:07:40 AM

A bit missing the point because the Iriver H1xx and H3xx and Pre-5G Ipod don't have ZIF connectors. Of course if there were IDE 1.8" compatible harddisk we wouldn't complicate things. Or maybe it is because you can find much cheaper ZIF harddisk than the equivalent capacity IDE ones.


Hmm - sorry.  I managed to confuse things in my post.  The 120GB Samsung is listed as having a PATA connector (which I'm *assuming* is the old connector in my iHP-140).  The 160GB is a PATA drive with a ZIF connector (which will work in the iPod Videos).  I should have been clearer about that part.

There were a bunch of these 120GB Samsungs sold on eBay for US$200 each...

Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: Llorean on March 24, 2008, 02:13:11 PM
juanpa74: Please, don't respond with multiple posts. Use the "modify" button if you need to add more information.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: juanpa74 on March 25, 2008, 07:28:15 AM
Sorry I didn't know I could do "multi quote". I was responding to different messages.
I will try better next time.


juanpa74: Please, don't respond with multiple posts. Use the "modify" button if you need to add more information.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: stuffedspacedog on April 01, 2008, 10:44:25 AM
I got my H140 modded to 100Gb with a Toshiba MK1011GAH and a ZIF to IDE adaptor off eBay - it's working fine, although a bit of a tight fit.  Also installed a new 2300mah battery... all OK so far.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: inluxication on April 01, 2008, 12:57:26 PM
@stuffedspacedog: Excellent! Can you please send a link to the adapter you bought (the completed auction listing, or an identical new item)?
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: stuffedspacedog on April 01, 2008, 08:59:03 PM
Sure, the link is here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280209474185&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=018

A couple of points... in order to make the IDE end fit the iRiver, you either need to file down the right side of the adaptor, or break off the right plastic prong on the iRiver socket (with the player orientated so the socket is at the top).

Also on the H140, there is a black plastic bar with two screws which fits over the socketed end of the hard drive - I removed this, as it doesn't secure the HD any more as the ZIF drives are smaller.

I also removed the blue rubber mount around the HD... this may make the player slightly more prone to damage in a fall, but realistically it's all fitted together so tightly I can't see the blue rubber making much difference in absorbing a shock, and most modern hard drives have shock sensors anyway.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: inluxication on April 01, 2008, 11:03:05 PM
Great info, thanks.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: stuffedspacedog on April 03, 2008, 07:22:30 AM
Hi, just to let you know that the ESSkabel adaptor arrived today, the good news is that it fits the iRiver without requiring any modification, the bad news is that the ribbon cable is extremely fragile.  The disk spins up OK, but as soon as the back is pushed on I got "ATA error".  I tried this with 3 different adaptors and broke all of them.  I ended up going back to the original adaptor I got from eBay, which continues to work fine.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: juanpa74 on April 03, 2008, 10:38:14 PM
How can I get/buy one of the ESSkabel adaptors? I want to try them on the H340.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: KKaul on April 14, 2008, 11:08:31 AM
@stuffedspacedog:

Could you please give the title (or seller) for the ebay auction? You link isnt working anymore...

Thanks!
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: stuffedspacedog on April 15, 2008, 11:36:01 PM
Seller was "h2electronics".  Just searched eBay, and couldn't find any of these adapters... weird huh?
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: inluxication on April 18, 2008, 02:43:24 AM
I'm glad stuffedspacedog had the seller's name, because I lost track of that.  However, I believe the item description was
   1.8" ZIF Hard Disk to Laptop 1.8" IDE HD Adapter t8
I guess the next thing is to write to h2electronics and ask if they will have more of these.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: Jeff on May 13, 2008, 10:58:20 PM
How on earth do I connect the ribbon cable??

There is no locking mechanism that I can see on this drive.  It's a Toshiba MK1011GAH

(http://www.misticriver.net/images/forums/zifconnect.jpg)

Any help with photos would be great!
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: inluxication on May 13, 2008, 11:54:31 PM
Sure, the link is here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280209474185&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=018
As noted earlier in this thread, stuffedspacedog's ebay link worked, but then stopped working.  Now it works again.  He remembered the seller being h2electronics, but it shows up on the link as yeahmarket, with item description
   1.8" ZIF Hard Disk to Laptop 1.8" IDE HD Adapter
I've written to both sellers (just to be safe!) to ask if they have any more of these.

Edit: I also made a PDF printout of the ebay page, in case ebay drops the link again.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: inluxication on May 18, 2008, 07:36:40 PM
How on earth do I connect the ribbon cable??

There is no locking mechanism that I can see on this drive.  It's a Toshiba MK1011GAH
Jeff, there's now a how-to here:
http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ZIFToATAAdapter
It seems that the locking mechanism should be on the connector, not on the drive.  I'm not an expert, I haven't done it, and I don't think you said what connector you're using.

Also, the ebay seller yeahmarket just replied to me and said that he is now offering the part under a new ebay ID, "rexchg".  I see that a part with the same description, 1.8" ZIF Hard Disk to Laptop 1.8" IDE HD Adapter, is also being offered by another seller for a few cents less.  It appears to be the same, but I ordered the one from rexchg.  Now I'll order a drive, see how it goes, and report back.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: Jeff on May 18, 2008, 08:38:09 PM
Thanks for that link but....

I don't see any black "handle" on the HDD to lock??  Take a look at the photo I posted
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: karashata on May 18, 2008, 10:12:14 PM
That's 'cause the "handle" on the hard drive is off-white, not black.  Lift that up and push the cable in there, then push it back down once the cable is in snugly.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: stuffedspacedog on May 20, 2008, 11:24:08 PM
Just to confirm that my 100Gb H140 is still running strong with no problems!  The trickiest part is attaching the ribbon cable to the ZIF drive, the locking mechanism isn't obvious, and I initially had the same problem as other previous posters.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: inluxication on May 27, 2008, 03:37:10 PM
HELP, Stuffedspacedog, or anyone: I've now got a Toshiba MK8009GAH and an adapter like this one
http://cgi.ebay.com/1-8-ZIF-Hard-Disk-to-Laptop-1-8-IDE-HD-Adapter-t8_W0QQitemZ190225019729QQihZ009QQcategoryZ90719QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem,
but I can't assemble it right.  I keep getting errors like ATA -11, "check HDD", and such.  Once I booted into the iRiver firmware, which (correctly) reported 0 folders, 0 files, but connecting the USB cable at that point didn't work.  I don't think I ever heard the hard drive spin up.

The adapter comes with a ribbon cable with a blue end and a white end, and another cable with two blue ends.  Both the Rockbox installation guide here
http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ZIFToATAAdapter
and another I found, here
http://www.digitalintelligence.com/support/zif_hard_drive_enclosure/
show the Toshiba drive taking a blue end.  However, I simply can't fit either end of the blue-blue cable into the Toshiba's white socket.  The white cable fits, and the black lever secures it, but I still get the problems above -- for the most part the same error messages I get if I don't connect anything at all.

At this point I have no way of telling if the HDD, the adapter, and the cables are proper or defective.  At some point I put a fold rather than a gentle S bend into the blue-white cable: how likely is that to have killed it?  I'm just hoping I didn't harm the drive.

To answer someone else's question, the Toshiba ZIF socket (mine at least) does have a black locking lever: it looks like a ridge along the center of the white socket.  I needed a jewelers loupe to see what it was, but you can get a little out of the pictures at the link just above -- click the 2nd and 3rd pictures to zoom in.

    --------------

Another ebay auction
http://cgi.ebay.com/2-sets-1-8-toshiba-ZIF-Hard-drive-to-2-5-IDE-Adapter_W0QQitemZ290232675597QQcmdZViewItem
for what seems like (2 of) the same item has pictures indicating that the blue-white cable is the one for Toshiba.  That suggests I've got everything right, and either the drive or the adapter is bad.  Any advice?

 -----------------

SUCCESS.  Idiotically, I had the drive, and the adapter, upside down.  The right way is to extend the cable straight, put the drive the same way up as the old one, plug in the adapter, then bend the cable into an S curve under the drive and put the drive in place (same side up).

A later problem I had was that when squeezing the case together, the unit would fail.  If it was off and you tried to switch it on, it would go into iRiver software, then stop.  If it was running Rockbox, it would stop.  Leaving the case loose, playing music in Rockbox, and then squeezing the case together, I saw that by squeezing gently I could trigger the disc-access light.  I think that an exposed electrical contact area near the end of the ribbon cable was being squeezed against the disc drive, causing Bad Things to happen.  I re-bent the cable, and also tucked a bit of insulator between that part of the cable and the HDD case, and the problem went away.

Currently everything is working, reassembled with the lower rubber bumper back in place (there's probably no need to remove it, but I didn't know that), but without the blue rubber cushion that fits around the perimeter of the HDD.  Since uncushioned shocks can easily be thousands of Gs, I'll try again to put that back in place, or failing that, improvise some other cushioning.

I don't have the Esskabel adapter, but I think I see what Linus (I think it was Linus) meant about it being a better fit for the iRiver.  From the second photo in the Rockbox ZIF-to-ATA thread linked above, it looks like the Esskabel adapter has a sticky-up bit on the top, at the bottom end past where the HDD ends.  With my adapter, that bit is on the bottom, pushing up the whole surface of the adapter, and thus the drive (which sits above part of the adapter).  Mine is much cheaper and more easily available, though.

I feel that my mistakes should have resulted in the destruction of the new drive and/or the player, and I'm grateful for dumb luck or good engineering.  I hope my account will make it easier for someone else!


    --------------

Tight squeeze, but everything including the blue rubber bumper is back in place.  Done.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: Nate! on June 26, 2008, 02:26:01 AM
I'm a little confused also on the hard drive connection.  Do I push down into the pins, push back towards the drive, or push forward towards the cable?

I "received" my MK1011GAH drive without the black handle.  I should receive a replacement soon.  Pic below.

Thanks for the help.

Edit: I just caught the digitalintelligence link in a previous post.  That explains it very well.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: inluxication on June 26, 2008, 04:26:53 PM
On a related note, it's hard to tell from the small photo, but it looks like your drive may be fine, just with a white handle (like the one on the Digital Intelligence link you mentioned).  Let us know how it turns out!  (My H180 is working fine.)
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: 1121 on July 01, 2008, 01:45:26 PM
Hi,

I have the same problem as mentioned above trying to upgrade my iHP 140 with a 120GB hard drive. My drive is Samsung HSJ22JC. I cannot find any handle to connect the ribbon cable to the drive...The HDD works ok when I load original iRiver firmware, but it feels like the HDD is not connected properly, because when trying to load rockbox it says: error ATA: -32 and stays there until I reset it (then it boots original firmware). I figure rockbox needs a more secured connection as right now there is nothing that secures the cable on HDD's side. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

I have the same adapter as the one here: http://cgi.ebay.com.my/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190228540008&indexURL=

Some pictures of my HDD:

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/6338/dscn9567mb7.jpg

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/9375/dscn9568ga4.jpg

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/7819/dscn9569re7.jpg

Another thing is, I am not sure whether it will be possible at all to squeeze it, so that the player can be assembled again...
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: inluxication on July 01, 2008, 02:16:12 PM
It seems odd that the iRiver firmware would work but Rockbox not.  Can you actually load on music and play it under the iRiver firmware?  When my drive was not properly connected, since there was no iRiver software to access on the drive, the bootloader would default to the iRiver firmware in the player itself (or so I guess), but nothing actually worked.

Since your drive is ZIF, there has to be some way of releasing the pressure on the pins, but in your photos I can't see what it would be.  I'd suggest: 1. Look with a magnifying glass or loupe.  2. Try to look up information about the drive on the Samsung site, Wikipedia, or wherever.  3. In your photos, past the end or ends of the connector, there is a round dimple or two that looks like it's the same material as the connector.  If you press it/those, does it release the pins and let you slide the ribbon cable in easily?

Someone must know, where I'm just guessing, but I hope this helps.

As for stuffing it all back together --- you're on your own.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: 1121 on July 01, 2008, 02:32:01 PM
Thank you for your reply. Yes, I can load music onto the drive and access it in every way under iRiver firmware.

I have just tried pressing gently on those dimples, but unfortunately no change. There is also no way I could put the cable with blue ends there- just the white one and it just barely touches it and is not secure. I think there must be some way, because it wouldn't be logical to manufacture a drive like this...It seems as if the connector is simply fixed to the drive and there was no moving part, though...I will do some search anyway. Rockbox is all I need here. Thank you very much.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: AlexP on July 01, 2008, 03:33:45 PM
When my drive was not properly connected, since there was no iRiver software to access on the drive, the bootloader would default to the iRiver firmware in the player itself (or so I guess), but nothing actually worked.

For the H100 and H300 there is no iriver firmware on the drive, it is all in flash.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: 1121 on July 03, 2008, 06:37:21 AM
I haven't found the way to resolve my issue yet. I have found information on the forum here (mentioned by Linus himself) that ATA -32 error (or -11 probably), can be associated with a loose connection between a dougtherboard and motherboard. Do you think my iRiver could be affected by it, even though there is no problem running original firmware and accessing the drive with it?
Thank you.

Edit:

There is also no problem running Rockbox on the original hard drive...The problem occurs trying to boot it on the replaced Samsung drive.


An update. I have got a brand new drive (replaced with the same type, as the seller did not have other options, that is a 120GB Samsung: HS122JC) and right now it is as follows:

the new HDD is working fine (the previous one was obviously faulty with constant spinning and 'scratching' as it was turning on/off constantly). This one is working fine with no problems. I've reformatted it properly using SwissKnife (FAT32) and there is no problem booting, running and using my iHP-140 with the iRiver firmware. But when I install Rockbox I have got: ATA -32 error message, along with the Check HDD and plug in a USB cable. Could it really be a hardware failure issue, considering there is no problem using original firmware, no problem with the new HDD and no problem using Rockbox with my original HDD on the player? I would really like to run Rockbox on it. Any help/suggestions appreciated big time. Thank you.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: isanggon on July 25, 2008, 10:02:05 AM
I used same zip to ata adaptor and succeed with mk8025gal on h120.

I had ATA -11 and ATA-32 errors occur when connector being loose. Heavly pressure can loose connector.

I cannot assemble correctly with that adator without any modification.
Without modification, ATA -11 and ATA-32 errors occur. Or h120 didn't power on.

I have to do 3 modification to re-assemble.

1. re-positioning rubber which placed on bottm of h120.
2. cut adaptor's pcb and connector to have minimum size.
3. cut some rubber which placed top of hdd

with this modifications, I can reassemble with that adaptor correctly.

h140 has much more space than h120 has. cutting rubbers or removing rubber is last choice.

I think samsung hdd is fine. The problem is having much pressure to adapter's connector.
Try to reassemble without much pressure to adapter's connector. Than your h140 will work.


----------------

Correction :

1121,
I think, your problem was caused by exposed electrical contact area near the end of the cable. Try to using tape to that exposed area to insulation. with this, h140 need not any modification, I think.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: Flowah on July 26, 2008, 02:41:57 AM
Can you post pictures of your modifications? I had been wondering if this was possible to do on the H120, and would like to see exactly how you did it. Also, which adapter did you use?
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: isanggon on July 28, 2008, 10:30:47 PM

I didn't made picture when I upgrade my h120. I attached horrible draw that made just ago.

I think this adaptor is the best choice and with this adaptor there need no modifications. but this is too expensive to pay.
http://esskabel.de/Produkte/Anschlussadapter/HDD-1.8-REV1/ADA-HDD-1.8-REV1-haupt.htm#ADA-HDD-1.8-ZIF-CF

I used this adaptor.
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.10887
This is very cheap and works fine. but too big for iriver. so needed modifications. There will be many modifications. I modified like attached drawings.

Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: Flowah on July 29, 2008, 01:05:07 AM
Hmm, I think I understand your picture. And you say that the adapter you linked would fit better?
http://www.ak-data.de/grelle-shop-x/index2.htm

What exactly are the size specs, do you know? I think I can make out that it's about 30mm in length, 46mm in width, 2.54mm in height.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: isanggon on July 29, 2008, 02:09:38 AM
Umm.. I measured my adapter and estimated es&s adapter's size. Result picture is attached.

And I changed my opinion.
http://www.ak-data.de/grelle-shop-x/index2.htm will perfectly fit on h120, when remove bottom rubber. without remove bottom rubber, that adapter will not fit without modification, either(but more easily than other adapter).

I think, the bottom rubber should be there. So if you use zip hdd, you'll need to modification to use that.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: st515O on August 28, 2008, 08:14:30 PM
Has anyone tried  this mod on a H320? I'm considering trying it with a 5mm thick   samsung Spinpoint N2 series drive: http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/products/downloads/HS10TJB.pdf     which are 7.5mm shorter than the factory iriver toshiba drives.    I already have a larger 2400mah battery which took some dremeling  to get to fit right (I still have the blue rubber and all),  so I'm very worried about   getting the deal extreme adapter + 5mm HD + 2400mah battery to fit.    If all else fails, I'm willing to try this:  http://www.stolltech.ch/iriver.pdf
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: miner49er on September 12, 2008, 04:44:22 AM
I, too, really want to upgrade my HD in my H320. Has anyone done this yet?

I would really like to make a larger leap to, say, at least 80Gig.

Please, can someone help me in my quest for more space?

thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: petur on September 12, 2008, 05:17:13 AM
I do not think there will be enough room in the H3x0 to do this.... You might get an MK8007GAH if you want 80GB without adapter - works fine here ;)
Or wait for 64/128GB CF cards to arrive ;)
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: miner49er on September 12, 2008, 10:21:17 AM
I've read about that drive and it appears to be 8mm - I was under the impression that the H320 could only take drives of 5mm?

Also, it appears to be 50pin - I was also under the impression that the H320 was 40 pin?

I feel like I'm getting close to making a decision here...
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: Chronon on September 12, 2008, 10:30:30 AM
You are right about the thickness of the drive that comes in an H320, but the connector does have 50 pins.  Did you consult the HardDriveReplacement page?
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: miner49er on September 12, 2008, 03:48:52 PM
Okay, so it does use 50 pins.

So, I can, without a doubt, fit an 8mm drive into my H320, albeit with a bit of bodging? My conern is that I spend 80 quid on a drive (I've seen one on ebay) for 60gig drive and I can't use it!

Please help, I only have 1 day left!
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: gevaerts on September 12, 2008, 04:17:04 PM
So, I can, without a doubt, fit an 8mm drive into my H320, albeit with a bit of bodging?

I wouldn't risk it
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: st515O on September 13, 2008, 08:44:20 PM
Actually I think if you grind the tabs off in the back cover,  remove all the blue rubber padding  and  use the factory battery, or factory sized battery, you just might be able to get a 8mm drive to fit.  It'll be *extremely* close, but there is a small chance it'll work.   No way it'll work with a higher capacity battery pack though.     Right now I'm running a higher capacity battery pack, with all the rubber padding and the factory 20gig drive  and everything *barely*   fits in the  320.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: dukestah on February 12, 2009, 11:04:07 AM

I think this adaptor is the best choice and with this adaptor there need no modifications. but this is too expensive to pay.
http://esskabel.de/Produkte/Anschlussadapter/HDD-1.8-REV1/ADA-HDD-1.8-REV1-haupt.htm#ADA-HDD-1.8-ZIF-CF


has anybody done this modification so far? I've got the above mentioned adaptor and it looks like shown on your pictures. My problem is now, the adaptor comes with 25 pairs of connectors, the i-river 340 interface offers just 22 pairs. So I'm puzzled how to connect the adaptor because neither top or bottom is specified nor which side of the pins is not required.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: sordup on March 27, 2009, 10:25:03 AM
I had the exact same problem as inluxication above with the bending of the cable causing the drive activity light to stay on and the slightest pressure (i.e. the press of the Nav button) causing power downs and reboots into iRiver firmware. inluxication's suggestion of a piece of insulator (I used a strip of plastic) separating the folded cable and the drive body seems to have solved the problem nicely.

Definitely a tight fit though!
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: spazz on April 06, 2009, 01:34:20 PM
Dukestah,
I'm trying to find  ADA-HDD-1.8-ZIF-CF to upgrade my h140 with a mk2431gah. I contacted Esskabel to see if they could refer me to a reseler in Canada but the place they gave me are asking 150$(can) for it wich is a bit crazy. Do you have any suggestion for a place that would sale the zif-to-ide adapter from Kabel and deliver to Canada. I tryed with Span.com but they can only sell me 10units wich is a not a solution either...
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: sordup on April 15, 2009, 11:25:19 AM
Update on my attempt at this upgrade:
After a couple weeks of working successfully, my ihp140 running on a 100G toshiba HDD through the Dealextreme adapter, the thing stopped booting up with an error at the start screen of "Result: -5" (the same error that I received when fist squeezing everything back together and not having insulated the folded connector ribbon). Now i can not even get my previous IDE connector drives to boot either Rockbox or the original iriver firmware and my beloved ihp is now the proverbial brick.
It is as if the adapter corrupted the drive connection bridge.
An alternate option without the extreme squeeze would be desirable.
And if anyone knows of a solution to the Result: -5 error, please tell me...

Addendum: Most likely the too tight fit in this case was due to my higher capacity battery - something I'm only now realizing...
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: isanggon on May 16, 2009, 08:13:17 AM
How about try this one:

http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=21676.0

It's now the best one. The only needed modification is modding bottom ruber.
I'll upload some picture when I get that adapter. It will be next weekend.
Title: Re: Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?
Post by: Multiplex on May 16, 2009, 10:13:31 AM
If you've had to squeeze everything in there might you have the ATA/USB card soldering problem? - I can't remember if that gave -5 or -1 as an error