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Installation / Removal => Manual Installation => Sandisk - Installation/Removal => Topic started by: DavidGWRawson on September 07, 2007, 01:17:49 AM

Title: Getting Rockbox to Run on Sansa e200r
Post by: DavidGWRawson on September 07, 2007, 01:17:49 AM
I really need help with my sansa! I tried everything to make it work, but it is almost hopeless! Is there any way to completely restore the entire system. Thanks.
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: DavidGWRawson on September 07, 2007, 01:20:06 AM
To be more specific, I already tried the e200tool on linux, and it did do the bootloader thing. Currently it goes to the sansa logo screen and stays there. It's frozen there.
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: GodEater on September 07, 2007, 02:05:47 AM
So what part of "Wait till there's an easy method to use to do the install" did you not understand ?
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: Bagder on September 07, 2007, 02:22:59 AM
Please be a lot more specific what happens and describe with all details exactly what you're doing.
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: DavidGWRawson on September 07, 2007, 02:24:50 AM
Im relieved that my sansa is now responding, but not booting firmware. It says cannot init main image, because I had to use e250r bootloader instead of e260r. I need an e260r bootloader to fix it. Will it fix that, using e200tool?
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: DavidGWRawson on September 07, 2007, 02:34:53 AM
New details: I was doing the bootloader patching, when it finally patched, it started up saying things i cant remember at the top, but at the bottom, it said 'cannot find rockbox .mi4. I could not put it on since it would not go into usb mode. When i plugged it in to see what happens (not recovery mode), it said it found rhapsody firmware, but then the screen started to fade white around the edges, then it spread all over the screen. I turned it off and eventually loaded e250r bootloader and firmware, which doesn't work on e260r. Im glad it's not totally dead. Is there a way just to simply reset it, such as opening the sansa and removing an internal battery or something? Thanks. If you find an e260r bootloader, tell me. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: Bagder on September 07, 2007, 02:57:28 AM
Allow me to say this:

Please be a lot more specific what happens and describe with all details exactly what you're doing.

We can't help you if you just keep rambling on.
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: DavidGWRawson on September 07, 2007, 03:00:58 AM
never mind now, all I need is the sansa e260r bootloader and that's it. Ill put it on and it will work. Right? It works to the point where it now accepts firmware updates and formatting commands in recovery mode. Won't it work? Please?
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: Bagder on September 07, 2007, 03:03:34 AM
The installation description works fine, no matter what R model you have as the bootloader is identical. So if you followed the instruction, I'm quite sure you already have the bootloaders (the rockbox one, the original sansa one as well as the binary-patched one).

And no, I don't know if that's the only thing missing since I don't understand your situation.
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: Llorean on September 07, 2007, 03:07:36 AM
There is no "e260r" bootloader, there is one bootloader for the whole e200r series, because they're all exactly the same but with different amounts of storage.

Please, if you come to experts for help, assume that they really are experts and answer their questions.
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: DavidGWRawson on September 07, 2007, 03:07:44 AM
Specifics:
 1. Followed Bootloader Patching Instructions for Linux (Used Ubuntu)
 2. Applied Bootloader Patch Using e200tool
 3. Failed
 4. Randomly messed with things
 5. Bricked it
 6. Fixed it a little
 7. Now looking for an e260r bootloader
 *********Im just trying to restore it back to rhapsody firmware*************
ill put rockbox on only when a safer method is developed (if my sansa ever gets fixed)
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: DavidGWRawson on September 07, 2007, 03:10:52 AM
All im getting with anything is a "cannot init main image"
can you give me a legitamate bootloader then? an "authentic" one?
if you can't, that's ok. Ill just return it to best buy and say it was defective. unless they know how to check for stuff like that....
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: DavidGWRawson on September 07, 2007, 03:16:32 AM
I just want to know how I can just restore my player to working condition, keeping in mind that the bootloader is no good, as well as the firmware. is there a preloader mode i need to go into or something?
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: Bagder on September 07, 2007, 03:23:14 AM
This is what you should do:


Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: DavidGWRawson on September 07, 2007, 03:27:22 AM
What are the 'side effects' of being completely bricked? :'(
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: AlexP on September 07, 2007, 03:29:08 AM
1)  Please stop double and triple posting - use the modify button

2)  We need to know EXACTLY.  Steps like:


 1. Followed Bootloader Patching Instructions for Linux (Used Ubuntu)
 2. Applied Bootloader Patch Using e200tool
 3. Failed
 4. Randomly messed with things
 5. Bricked it
 6. Fixed it a little
 7. Now looking for an e260r bootloader
 


are not specific.  Exactly what steps did you follow?  How did you apply the bootloader patch.  Clearly you didn't follow the steps exactly because it didn't work.  "Randomly messed with things" - what things?  How?

You were told to wait many times and you didn't, so if you want help now you have to help us.


What are the 'side effects' of being completely bricked? :'(

It won't work  ???.  Seriously follow the instructions Bagder gave you EXACTLY and you can resurrect it.
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: DavidGWRawson on September 07, 2007, 03:33:53 AM
im sorry...i just read other people were successful with rockbox on e200r. Is there just an internal battery i can remove and replace to reset everything to it's default?
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: Llorean on September 07, 2007, 03:35:18 AM
No. You have to do the instructions given to you.

This is why there were warnings, it is not an easy fix. Follow Bagder's instructions and you can fix it.
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: DavidGWRawson on September 07, 2007, 03:37:39 AM
alright, ill just do it the way badger said to. where do I find the vanilla and binary-patched bootloaders, do you download them? ill do it in the morning....
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: GodEater on September 07, 2007, 03:43:19 AM
You should *already* have downloaded them, you know - when you read the installation instructions that you managed not to follow.
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: chrisjs169 on September 07, 2007, 05:47:19 AM

What are the 'side effects' of being completely bricked? :'(


Guess yet another person has rushed and ignored all the warnings on the page.  Unbricking your Sansa is just as easy (or hard) as installing Rockbox.  

Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: John Brown on September 07, 2007, 06:20:14 AM
Looks like you messed up your bootloader and your fimware..., you have to fix both of them
*Number of people with briked there sansa r tring to get rockbox is now: 3
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: linuxstb on September 07, 2007, 06:34:08 AM

Looks like you messed up your bootloader and your fimware..., you have to fix both of them
*Number of people with briked there sansa r tring to get rockbox is now: 3


Maybe there's a reason the instructions contain so many warnings and advise people not familiar with the restore procedures to wait?

And these Sansas are not bricked, they're just in need of being restored.
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: scorche on September 07, 2007, 06:35:01 AM

*Number of people who ignored warnings and "bricked" their sansa out of ignorance: 3


Fixed.
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: AlexP on September 07, 2007, 06:38:08 AM
Shane, please don't give people advice, you have already demonstrated that you don't know what you are doing.

These Sansas are not bricked but need recovering.  Anyway, I don't have a lot of sympathy even if they were - if you want to ignore all the warnings that is your perogative.
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: LambdaCalculus on September 07, 2007, 07:00:49 AM
It's getting to the point where we're going to have to put up a big red warning label that reads:

WARNING: FOLLOW THESE INSTRUCTIONS AS THEY ARE WRITTEN OR YOU CAN CAUSE HARM TO YOUR SANSA!!

Maybe then they'll get the message.
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: Bagder on September 07, 2007, 07:27:53 AM
I honestly don't think so. I don't think these guys failed to see the warnings, they just ignored them or at least thought that they could proceed well anyway. So, making the warning signs bigger will have no effect.
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: DavidGWRawson on September 07, 2007, 09:05:11 AM
 I fixed it....thanks alot guys. Ill wait to put rockbox on mine until you made a safer way. I understand what e200tool does now. It tells the sansa in manufacturing mode what bootloader  to load and then we tricked it with a different bootloader. I think....Well anyway, thanks alot. I can now wait until rockbox is safe to install. I might just try it again, and if it gets messed up again, ill just use your method to fix it.
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: John Brown on September 07, 2007, 10:05:53 AM
I think we should all come together and put it in our sinitures!! ;D
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: Febs on September 07, 2007, 10:21:14 AM

I think we should all come together and put it in our sinitures!! ;D


I think that we should all download Firefox v2.0 and use its spell-checker.
Title: Problems with Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: DavidGWRawson on September 07, 2007, 05:39:34 PM
I have a question that's a little out of the subject, but since I restored my sansa, can I just skip the bootloader patching step? Im going to try to install rockbox again and ensure I read every instruction. If it doesn't work this time, I'll just restore it again and leave it as is for a while. I think this is probably the end of this forum for now....also, how can I help development of rockbox? I'd like to help out! another question about installation, do I put the .rockbox folder, or the contents only into the device?
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: DavidGWRawson on September 07, 2007, 05:56:44 PM
this may be double posting, but how do you delete this forum?
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: Llorean on September 07, 2007, 05:58:29 PM
There is no "may be" about it. You've showed you know how to use the edit function, why didn't you use it? The rules are rather clear, and to be very honest, I'm getting tired of seeing others remind you of them and having to remind you of them myself.

As well, do you mean "Delete this thread?" It contains useful information for those who may also do similar things, so deleting it wouldn't really be beneficial.
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: Bagder on September 07, 2007, 06:01:32 PM
Since you clearly failed to read and follow the instructions the last time, I hardly think it is advisable that you try to skip over anything. I would recommend that you start over from start and that you are very careful about following every single word in the install procedure.

About the development part, that's better suited in a different thread and has in fact already been discussed numerous times so try searching around a bit.
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: DavidGWRawson on September 07, 2007, 06:14:28 PM
so im supposed to rename the rockbox folder e200.rockbox????? it didnt say that in the instructions...well, do I? Im just waiting for a response to verify that before I try..
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: Llorean on September 07, 2007, 06:23:39 PM
If it doesn't say it in the instruction, why do you think you're supposed to do it?
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: DavidGWRawson on September 07, 2007, 06:25:47 PM
when rockbox tried to start, it said it couldnt find e200.rockbox, and the rockbox folder is titled .rockbox! what does the dot at the front mean?
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: Llorean on September 07, 2007, 06:27:32 PM
Are you sure it didn't say it couldn't find rockbox.e200?

Where, exactly, is your .rockbox folder?
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: DavidGWRawson on September 07, 2007, 06:28:07 PM
it in the root directory of my device
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: Llorean on September 07, 2007, 06:29:16 PM
Just to clarify, what exactly do you mean by "root directory"?
Title: Re: Possibly Bricked Sansa e260r NEED HELP!
Post by: DavidGWRawson on September 07, 2007, 06:32:36 PM
the beginning of the drive, where the music, system, etc folders are. i didn't mean directory, i meant that it's at ....i dont know how to say it..... i copied it directly to the device. and yes, it said that it couldnt find rockbox.e200, sorry for the mistake. what do i do if it says that? do I reformat my device?
Title: Re: I DID IT! ROCKBOX IS RUNNING!!!!
Post by: DavidGWRawson on September 07, 2007, 08:12:03 PM
OK, here is what I did!!! I formatted my player, allowed it to replace default files and folders, re-attached it, put .rockbox on it, copied .rockbox and renamed it rockbox.e200, now it runs! So I did have to rename .rockbox folder to rockbox.e200! Thank you all! (this thread looks as though it contains everything on installing rockbox on e200r! it could be useful for other people!!) Now, however, I no longer need to be on the Installation/removal forum. Time to go on other forums...
Title: Re: I DID IT! ROCKBOX IS RUNNING!!!!
Post by: pixelma on September 08, 2007, 04:05:23 AM
No! You don't have to rename the .rockbox folder! Please don't give such wrong advice openly here, it could get people into trouble!

The installation instructions clearly state that
Quote

... the entire contents of the .zip file should be extracted directly to the root of your player’s drive. Do not try to create a separate directory or folder on your player for the Rockbox files! The .zip file already contains the internal directory structure that Rockbox needs.

Note: If the contents of the .zip file are extracted correctly, you will have a folder called /.rockbox, which contains all the files needed by Rockbox, in the main folder of your player’s drive.

There are no additional steps of renaming something mentioned because you shouldn't (I'm surprised that it works for you at all). This can really cause you trouble and to the least major, unnecessary inconvenience when upgrading.
Title: Re: I DID IT! ROCKBOX IS RUNNING!!!!
Post by: DavidGWRawson on September 08, 2007, 02:57:40 PM
im sorry for that, i reformatted my player. that is probably why it workded this time. I have anuther problemm that neeeds help. it works with .rockbox directory only. I had two rockbox folders as a test to see if either one works. Then I deleted .rockbox, it didnt work. so i conclude "DO NOT RENAME ROCKBOX. IT WORKS AS IS! thanks pixelma
Title: Re: I DID IT! ROCKBOX IS RUNNING!!!!
Post by: chrisjs169 on September 08, 2007, 08:05:55 PM

im sorry for that, i reformatted my player. that is probably why it workded this time. I have anuther problemm that neeeds help. it works with .rockbox directory only. I had two rockbox folders as a test to see if either one works. Then I deleted .rockbox, it didnt work. so i conclude "DO NOT RENAME ROCKBOX. IT WORKS AS IS! thanks pixelma

*rambles about Firefox showing four misspelled words (excluding "Rockbox", "im", "didnt", "DavidGWRawson", and "pixelma")*
Quote

 it works with .rockbox directory only.

That directory isn't supposed to be modified.  Of course it only boots from there - the bootloader is coded to only boot from there (unless you use a modified one - a binary patched one does not count as modified in this case.)

Quote

I had two rockbox folders as a test to see if either one works. Then I deleted .rockbox, it didnt work.[/quote
Why did you think the other one would work, if the directory wasn't .rockbox?
Title: Re: I DID IT! ROCKBOX IS RUNNING!!!!
Post by: DavidGWRawson on September 08, 2007, 08:12:20 PM
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Title: Re: I DID IT! ROCKBOX IS RUNNING!!!!
Post by: Llorean on September 08, 2007, 08:13:20 PM
Well, considering the forum guidelines explicitly say to attempt proper spelling, perhaps you should read them again. I seem to remember you assuring me recently that you read them. Why not stop and take a second to read over your post before clicking the "Post" button.
Title: Re: Getting Rockbox to Run on Sansa e200r
Post by: DavidGWRawson on September 08, 2007, 08:15:12 PM
This thread no longer needs any more information, which is why I'm locking it. All there is left is just to post garbage.
Title: Re: Getting Rockbox to Run on Sansa e200r
Post by: Llorean on September 08, 2007, 08:17:03 PM
Whether you think they're garbage or not, they're the forum guidelines. You agreed to follow them when signing up, and if you choose to intentionally ignore them you may not be allowed to post here any more.