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Installation / Removal => Manual Installation => Apple - Installation/Removal => Topic started by: eekhoornstaartlolly on March 15, 2008, 12:43:28 PM

Title: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: eekhoornstaartlolly on March 15, 2008, 12:43:28 PM
Hello

I have had my ipod video 30gig for....eum maybe less then 3 years. The past year, my brother dropped it on the tip of my table, so the screen cracked... (this is a funny part) I went to the place where i bought my ipod and they said that it would cost more then a new one. i was so pissed because it wasn't true, then i got to know someone who was able to fix it for just a couple of euros.

So that guy fixed the screen with no problem and he installed rockbox on it. I like rockbox alot I ahve been using it alot and it has showed itsel very usefull. But now I'd like to sell my ipod for personal reasons and a guy wants to buy it for 150euro, pretty good price. but he needs the original ipod software on it.

I read in some topics that the original software is on the ipod disk that is delivered with the ipod itself.

Therefor my question: Is it possible to put the original ipod softyware back on my ipod?

BTW don't be afraid, i know that i'm a noob and that i really don't know alot about this kinda stuff, but the guy thta fixed my screen wants to put the original software back on my ipod, if he happens to know if it is possible.

thanks
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: AlexP on March 15, 2008, 12:55:49 PM
There are uninstallation instructions in the manual.
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: zajacattack on March 15, 2008, 05:51:33 PM
http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-220002.6

That's the link to the uninstallation instructions for the iPod Video.
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: eekhoornstaartlolly on March 16, 2008, 09:03:29 AM
well thank you guys, :p
didn't know that

again, I love rockbox and i still use it on my old video.
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: eekhoornstaartlolly on March 16, 2008, 10:08:22 AM
hey

me again
well that's an easy manual. though the guy that fixed it said that it won't work....
I tried to acces my orginial firmware by setting the system on, switching the hold button on emmediately after. and instead of saying 'Loading original firmware ...' it shows tha apple logo (from the start) and then white lines start to emerge... and slowly the whole image goes white untill you can see the logo of apple anymore.... just like when i connect the ipod to my computer with the hold button on.

can someone tell me how this can happenN is it because the original software may be deleted?
i don't really know

thanks again
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: AlexP on March 16, 2008, 10:32:26 AM
It is possible to remove the Apple firmware, yes, but it isn't how we recommend installing it.

You need to ask the guy who installed it how he did it.  I would hope he followed the official instructions.
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: eekhoornstaartlolly on March 16, 2008, 12:48:54 PM
and if he didn't, is there a way to undo it? I mean is the software on the disk of apple and can I just put it on the ipod again?
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: AlexP on March 16, 2008, 02:57:45 PM
Yes, you should just be able to restore it with itunes - sorry, I forgot to mention this before.  This will effectively also format your disk.
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: eekhoornstaartlolly on March 22, 2008, 12:14:35 PM
so even if he for example (I really don't know what happened exactly) deleted all of the original firmware and without rockbox that ipod is just one dead thing....you can still put on the original software 1.0 from the cd?

btw, afterwards it will work normally again? just like it's new
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: Chronon on March 22, 2008, 12:39:23 PM
That's correct.  The emergency Disk Mode is stored in flash.  If you connect the iPod to a computer in this mode then iTunes should agree to Restore it.  This is also a way to get the Apple firmware (and proper partition table, formatting, etc.) onto a new replacement drive.

Barring some kind of hardware failure the Restore function in iTunes is supposed to restore the unit to factory condition.  There are other ways to do this also, but iTunes provides the simplest way if you have access to that.
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: eekhoornstaartlolly on March 24, 2008, 05:49:37 AM
Well thank you very much, really :D.

I am gonna let the guy show this topic and hopefully he'll be able to fix it.

Again, thanks..never knew it was possible lol
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: hayduke on March 24, 2008, 07:57:28 PM
you can do it yourself I am sure :)

First, put the ipod into disk mode. Hold Menu+select, as soon as it starts to reset, hold play and select. This will put the ipod into disk mode. Once it's in disk mode, plug it into the computer and iTunes should recognize it. Use the restore button in iTunes.

As was already posted, this will essentially reformat the drive. So as long as you're not trying to keep the music on the iPod, this should achieve your goal.
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: LambdaCalculus on March 25, 2008, 06:16:18 AM
And if you're looking to keep all of the music on the iPod, there are uninstallation instructions in our fine manual:

http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-220002.6
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: Chronon on March 25, 2008, 12:54:23 PM
If you can track down a copy of the Apple firmware then you can use ipodpatcher to swap out the Rockbox bootloader for it.

Code: [Select]
ipodpatcher --helpwill give you all of the options for ipodpatcher.
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: eekhoornstaartlolly on March 26, 2008, 08:43:36 AM
It doesn't work!
sh**

well, i did the restore and everything and when he was done, so far so good... he was showing a progress bar on the ipod and itunes told me not to unplug it. well I left it to be and when the progress bar was full he resetted and i he showed the apple logo and those freking white ligns start to appear again. i tried to reset it but always that white lign that spreads out untill the whole screen is white...

btw, I restored it with 1.3 software will be retrying that with the 1.1 software

my computer doesn't even show the device when i plug it it, it only sees that I put a use a usb port
can someone plz help me or tell me how this happened?
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: Chronon on March 26, 2008, 02:09:10 PM
In order for it to be shown in My Computer you need to tell iTunes to "Enable disk use".  Make sure that's set if you want to access the ipod as an external drive.

The white lines almost sound like a bad connection.  It might be worth trying to open the unit up and reseat the cable that connects the LCD to the board.  That's my first suspicion given that this was replaced recently.  
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: eekhoornstaartlolly on March 26, 2008, 02:54:10 PM
well I can still use it in disk mode and it now comes on my computer. it even starts to synchronise my songs..
though when i start my ipod it shows these white lines, just like when I connect my ipod to the computer with the hold button on.

I put it on disk mode, and am now letting the battery run dead. because I can't turn it off or anything.
it's like he wants to start but he can't because there is no program to start.

how can i put the ipod software back on the ipod? I used the restore and it completed succseffully, but when i turned it on, the white ligns came on the apple logo.

what is with the ipodpatcher? do I need it as some sort of booting program

I am TOTALLY new at this...
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: Chronon on March 26, 2008, 03:30:29 PM
If you restored it, iTunes should have put the firmware back onto your iPod and wiped all traces of Rockbox from the iPod.  Your current problem does not have anything to do with Rockbox.  However, it doesn't sound like iTunes properly restored your iPod.  Was the iPod cleared of all media files and the .rockbox folder?
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: eekhoornstaartlolly on March 26, 2008, 04:35:36 PM
nope, there were still folders on it. should I delete EVERYTHING first then? just leave it totally blanc even without the hidden files.
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: Chronon on March 26, 2008, 08:56:48 PM
I'm saying that if it didn't remove all of the media folders plus Rockbox related files then it did not restore your player.  It will create the iPod_Control directory and other directories that originally come on your iPod, but any files that you added should be absent.  If that's not the case then iTunes did not do its job.
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: eekhoornstaartlolly on March 27, 2008, 03:59:35 AM
I just checked it and it made the following files

Calenders
Contacts
Ipod_control
Notes

though it still doesn't work...
I can always put it in disk mode, that's no problem but i can't start it up. I just get the apple logo that stays there and that lign start to appear
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: GodEater on March 27, 2008, 04:07:20 AM
Yes, but did it also remove all the files you put on there?

Please note, I'm not asking you to delete them yourself, I'm asking if this was the result of running iTunes restore or not. Deleting them yourself won't help.

If it didn't, then the restore did not work properly, and you should try it again.
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: eekhoornstaartlolly on March 27, 2008, 04:32:00 AM
yep these are the only files on the ipod.
there is nothing left

though on my computer it looks like it is a normal ipod, it synhronises etc. because everything was of the ipod.

I just can't start him. I will try again and let you know what happened.

NOTE: i used the ipod software 1.3
itunes asked me if i wanted to restore and it usd the 1.3. did i maybe need to use a previous software?

------

I just restored the ipod again. everything was going great. it completed succsesfully and gave me a msg that it has set the ipod to factory settings and that I have to wait untill my ipod was finished. I saw a progress bar on the ipod, and waited untill it was finished. when it ws finished it restarted and the apple logo came on....and then, there was just the apple logo and the white ligns started to appear again.
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: GodEater on March 27, 2008, 04:58:28 AM
Sounds to me like something in the ipod is damaged to me.
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: eekhoornstaartlolly on March 27, 2008, 05:14:25 AM
I'm sure it's not. It worked on rockbox just fine.
though there is a different screen in it, as it needed to be replaced, but that was ages ago, it was also the moment that a friend put rockbox onto the ipod.

I always have those white ligns when i put my ipod (when I had rockbox) in my computer with the hold button on.

how come then that I can't start my ipod, do I need some sort of bootloader? or is it because I used the 1.3 software?
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: Chronon on March 27, 2008, 05:29:36 AM
Is iTunes possibly loading a modified firmware?  I'm leaning toward damage as well, though I can't explain why it should behave under Rockbox and not under Apple's firmware.  Go ahead and install an earlier version of the Apple firmware if you can find one.

I'm running low on ideas here.  
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: eekhoornstaartlolly on March 27, 2008, 05:35:42 AM
well, i have downloaded the ipodsetup 1.1, which has been recommended by rockbox when other versions don't work.
I have it, it is on my desktop, I used it and installed it, though nothing really different happens, it just shows a wizard and then it sayd I need to restart my computer. but I don't think it did anything to my ipod.

I still have the disk and I will see if the ipodsoftware is on there and run that exe.

maybe I should start it by itunes instead of just opening the exe.

pff, i'm so new to all this stuff
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: GodEater on March 27, 2008, 05:37:55 AM
Out of curiousity, how long are you waiting after trying to start the apple firmware before deciding it's not working, and restarting ?
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: eekhoornstaartlolly on March 27, 2008, 05:52:27 AM
how do you mean exactly?
I tried it several times and it didn't work. eg: yesterday i restored it, and it didn't work it just stood there on the apple logo. I let the battery run dry. I charged it up today and let it synchronise, though at itunes it looks like I have the original ipod software on it.

when it was synchronised and charged, i restarted it again and still just the apple logo that comes on.
I tried restoring it again, it finished succesfully and after finishing restoring, it restarted and still just the apple logo.
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: Chronon on March 27, 2008, 01:35:35 PM
Well you could try reseating the LCD.  It's possible that a bad connection is causing this.  Other than that I don't really have any more suggestions to you.  You have successfully removed Rockbox.  The restore function seems to have completed properly.  Your iPod just seems to have some problem associated with the LCD.  Maybe a component went bad?  

It seems that you might have more luck from this point with an iPod specific technical support forum.
Title: Re: Remove Rockbox ?!
Post by: eekhoornstaartlolly on March 27, 2008, 02:49:15 PM
k, I understand

I'll ask the guy if he puts up rockbox, and see if I can sell it that way.
Thank alot though, I appreciate it that you have all taken the time to help me out here...