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Title: iPod very reluctant to boot original firmware
Post by: lareneg on July 26, 2006, 01:05:30 PM
My 30gig iPod seems reluctant to boot to its original firmware, I was sitting here for about 20 minutes and finally managed to get it to work.

Is there any reason for this? (I held menu when starting it up - pushed and held menu to turn it on)
Title: Re: iPod very reluctant to boot original firmware
Post by: mightybrick on July 26, 2006, 01:19:35 PM
Lately I've been having the same issue with my Nano.  Sometimes it takes 6 or more tries before it will boot the original firmware.  When I first installed Rockbox, I could boot into the original firmware without a problem. *shrugs*
Title: Re: iPod very reluctant to boot original firmware
Post by: gozirra on July 26, 2006, 03:13:16 PM
... took me 6 tries yesterday as well - dunno why it was being so persnickety?
Title: Re: iPod very reluctant to boot original firmware
Post by: senab on July 26, 2006, 05:44:08 PM
If you need to boot to the Apple firmware often, I'd suggest using the iPL Loader 2 bootloader instead. On bootup you'll be shown a menu and you can choose to bootup whatever you like.
Title: Re: iPod very reluctant to boot original firmware
Post by: Dwyloc on July 27, 2006, 05:13:54 AM
Lately I've been having the same issue with my Nano.  Sometimes it takes 6 or more tries before it will boot the original firmware.  When I first installed Rockbox, I could boot into the original firmware without a problem. *shrugs*

I have a nano with the same issue booting into apples firmware used to always work first time but now it takes a number of reboots to try and get the loader to boot the right OS.
Title: Re: iPod very reluctant to boot original firmware
Post by: latino_partyboy on July 27, 2006, 05:52:50 AM
it would be great if you could tell it to boot through some setting in rockbox when you wanted it to

that way when you turn your iPod on its always on rockbox, then you decide hey i haven't watch season 1 of "that 70's show" in a long time

MENU>Bootloader>Original Apple Firmware> Are You Sure?> YES> Please wait a moment

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;Dnow that would be cool ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: iPod very reluctant to boot original firmware
Post by: Dwyloc on July 27, 2006, 06:28:25 AM
Yes I like the sound of that, as long as the next time I boot my ipod after booting into Apples fireware it boot back into rockbox again.

But I admit that as soon as rockbox as its own USB mode I will not need to boot into the stock firmware very much.
Title: Re: iPod very reluctant to boot original firmware
Post by: michael.conner on July 27, 2006, 08:02:56 AM
If you need to boot to the Apple firmware often, I'd suggest using the iPL Loader 2 bootloader instead. On bootup you'll be shown a menu and you can choose to bootup whatever you like.

I started having the same problem -- so I installed iPL Loader 2 on it and have never looked back.
Title: Re: iPod very reluctant to boot original firmware
Post by: Chronon on July 27, 2006, 10:20:25 AM
Is this an issue with a new build?  I have problems occasionally, but it usually is because my finger moves during startup.  If I am careful to keep my finger still it usually works.
Title: Re: iPod very reluctant to boot original firmware
Post by: BigMac on July 27, 2006, 03:36:15 PM
I had this problem when i first started using rockbox as well. What I do is use my pointer finger, and press down firmly on menu, and wait till it says loading original firmware then release, best of luck.
Silly Rabit, trix are for kids!
Title: Re: iPod very reluctant to boot original firmware
Post by: Harry on July 27, 2006, 04:16:31 PM
ive been using ipl loader for a while nothings ogne wrong with mine maybe u guys should try it out
Title: Re: iPod very reluctant to boot original firmware
Post by: Atheistic Freedom on July 27, 2006, 05:24:22 PM
Me thinks the problem is simply you move your finger or wtv you poke the wheel with  ;) While it's booting up.  Rockbox makes the wheel respond a lot more compared to the Apple wheel, so do not move your digit at all as soon as you press and hold it to boot it up.
Title: Re: iPod very reluctant to boot original firmware
Post by: lareneg on July 31, 2006, 06:03:37 AM
Yeah, that is the problem, maybe there should be a way to lower the sensitivity of the scroll wheel during startup? because If I use my thumb it never works, because I more than often activate the scroll wheel. Maybe it could be made so that the scroll wheel is disabled during startup? Or  maybe you could even change it to the select (middle) button, as that cant activate the scroll wheel.
Title: Re: iPod very reluctant to boot original firmware
Post by: mrdantownsend on August 01, 2006, 12:21:36 AM
you guys could install loader 2 without the linux on it.

I did and It works great

go here for instructions : http://ipodlinux.org/Loader2
Title: Re: iPod very reluctant to boot original firmware
Post by: mnhnhyouh on August 01, 2006, 03:56:28 AM
The reason for it to take 6 tries to boot to the iPod firmware  is obvious....

User : iPod, boot to iPod firmware.

iPod : Do I have to, I mean it sucks. 

User :
iPod, boot to iPod firmware.

iPod:  I have to work with that iTunes, and they think they are soooooo good, when they just arent. I dont want to.

User : iPod, boot to iPod firmware.

iPod : Can I just stay with the Rockbox. I mean it is soooo cool, it lets me work with all sorts of codecs.

User : iPod, boot to iPod firmware.

iPod : We could play all those cool games.  C'mon, you know you love RB :)

User : iPod, boot to iPod firmware. NOW!

iPod : Dear User, my bestest friend, you can customise the WPS...

User : iPod, boot to iPod firmware. NOW, OR I WILL DROP YOU IN A BUCKET!

iPod : Alright then, but you will regret it!!!

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Title: Re: iPod very reluctant to boot original firmware
Post by: Flid on August 01, 2006, 08:49:10 AM
Didn't the devs get ROLO working on iPod targets last week?
Title: Re: iPod very reluctant to boot original firmware
Post by: lareneg on August 01, 2006, 08:54:08 AM
ROLO?
Title: Re: iPod very reluctant to boot original firmware
Post by: Flid on August 01, 2006, 09:01:58 AM
http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RoLo

Basically, you should be able to just browse to your root folder and "play" an apple.ipod file to re-load the apple firmware.

It would also give you the opportunity to switch between official CVS builds and patched user builds (ie. Senab/Julius builds)

BUT... this is originally from other targets (Archos etc), and I only commented because I noticed the iPod RoLo mentioned on CVS activity  last week.

~disappears to check out latest CVS~
Title: Re: iPod very reluctant to boot original firmware
Post by: linuxstb on August 03, 2006, 07:16:02 PM
Didn't the devs get ROLO working on iPod targets last week?

The short answer is no.  A CVS commit was made enabling Rolo for the ipods, but it doesn't succeed in loading anything apart from the currently running Rockbox version - I'm still working on it.