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Rockbox General => Rockbox General Discussion => Topic started by: rasher on November 25, 2006, 06:29:19 AM

Title: Tag Cache renamed
Post by: rasher on November 25, 2006, 06:29:19 AM
Tag cache has been renamed to simply "Database" as of a few hours ago. So if you update to a bleeding edge build, or the next daily (20061126), you will need to either rebuild your database or rename the files under .rockbox starting with tagcache and replace that with database ("tagcache_idx.tcd" becomes "database_idx.tcd" etc.).

There should be no other ill effects. If you see any mention of Tag Cache in the manual after it's been rebuilt (at the same time the daily build gets updated, so not yet), please report it here or file a bug report.
Title: Re: Tag Cache renamed
Post by: Genre9mp3 on November 25, 2006, 08:43:32 AM
(http://www.misticriver.net/photos/albums/userpics/37201/tombstone.jpg)
Title: Re: Tag Cache renamed
Post by: JdGordon on November 25, 2006, 08:51:46 PM
Its renamed, not dead....
Title: Re: Tag Cache renamed
Post by: Atheistic Freedom on November 25, 2006, 08:56:19 PM
Its renamed, not dead....


lol  :D
Title: Re: Tag Cache renamed
Post by: scorche on November 25, 2006, 09:08:02 PM
(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7885/tombstonefp5.jpg)

Don't doubt the power of paint.
Title: Re: Tag Cache renamed
Post by: jewman on November 25, 2006, 09:12:22 PM
That's hilarious.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tag Cache renamed
Post by: Mikerman on November 26, 2006, 02:24:58 PM
Aww, I liked the name TagCache--it had style.  "Database" just doesn't send me ...

(But, of course, it is more explicitly understandable.)
Title: Re: Tag Cache renamed
Post by: scorche on November 26, 2006, 03:24:50 PM
The name is a work in progress.  See the IRC logs for our discussion.  ;)

If you have a brilliant idea, go ahead and give it. (Please do not fill this thread up with ideas however...)
Title: Re: Tag Cache renamed
Post by: bascule on November 27, 2006, 04:31:24 AM
If you have a brilliant idea, go ahead and give it. (Please do not fill this thread up with ideas however...)

So can I just fill up one post? :P

The Commit notes said Tag Cache was too 'cryptic', but surely it's more descriptive than Database which is not unique enough for accurate searching.

We need a WikiWord that describes the functionality such as:

TagList, MusicList, TagDb, MusicDb, RockDb, TagBase, TagBrowser, MusicBrowser, MusicDatabase, RockBase, RockList, TagStore, MusicStore etc...
Title: Re: Tag Cache renamed
Post by: scorche on November 27, 2006, 04:50:25 AM
Well, part of the issue was that it was not just a cache of tags.  I personally think that Database is just too ambiguous.

Most of your suggestions are not valid either, as it is more than just tags and music.  I suggested something along the lines of AuralDatabase and names like that, but I did not come up with much.
Title: Re: Tag Cache renamed
Post by: bascule on November 27, 2006, 04:55:01 AM
Perhaps something like RockboxNavigator, then, which also encompasses the runtime/stats aspects of the functionality?
Title: Re: Tag Cache renamed
Post by: scorche on November 27, 2006, 04:59:17 AM
I was not referring to RuntimeDB as the "more than" part.  I was talking about more as in (for example): It can also encompass Podcasts as well as audiobooks, besides music.
Title: Re: Tag Cache renamed
Post by: lachlan on November 27, 2006, 05:32:07 AM
TagDataBase seems logical to me. It doesn't flow as well at TagCache or TagBase, but there is no mistaking what it is.
Title: Re: Tag Cache renamed
Post by: LinusN on November 27, 2006, 06:01:00 AM
Just curious, what comes to mind when you see "Database" on a DAP? I think "database with metadata, such as ID3 tags, like on every other DAP". What else would it be?
Title: Re: Tag Cache renamed
Post by: soap on November 27, 2006, 06:28:42 AM
Just curious, what comes to mind when you see "Database" on a DAP? I think "database with metadata, such as ID3 tags, like on every other DAP". What else would it be?


I don't think the problem is "Database" being a non-intuitive word, I think the problem is database is too generic of a term to be given proper noun status.
Title: Re: Tag Cache renamed
Post by: bascule on November 27, 2006, 07:18:48 AM
... I think the problem is database is too generic of a term to be given proper noun status.

That's absolutely the point. In this world of search, it really has to be more unique than that, otherwise no-one will be able to find it. even Tag Cache was bad enough, because some people split it and some concatenated it.

How about TagNavi or TagNavigator; that would also be consistent with the configuration file names...
Title: Re: Tag Cache renamed
Post by: Febs on November 27, 2006, 07:25:47 AM
I think Linus is right.

In terms of search, I think that it would be comparatively easy to find information relating to "Database" compared to "TagNavi" or any of the other terms that have been suggested.
Title: Re: Tag Cache renamed
Post by: Arj on November 27, 2006, 04:01:39 PM
Did a quick search on this site for both 'tagcache' and 'database'.  Got similar numbers of hits and most hits for either referred to the tagging database or ID3 database.  However, 'database' also gets hits for 'feature request database.'  I think that, when searching, 'database' stands a better chance of getting false hits for what you want when looking for topics on the tagging database.  Its a pretty generic word, even when talking about the context of DAPs.

I think it would be better to have a descriptive name that brands the tagging database, although I haven't got a brilliant suggestion (yet).
Title: Re: Tag Cache renamed
Post by: Febs on November 27, 2006, 04:12:44 PM
The problem with a "descriptive name that brands the tagging database" is that you need to know the "descriptive name" to find information about it.  A user new to Rockbox may think to do a search for "database."  A user new to Rockbox would never think to do a search for "RockNavi" or anything like it.

I would rather use a generic word and run the risk of having searches return too many results than to use an unintuitive word and have searches return no results.  Overinclusive results can be narrowed with a more refined search.  For example, I did an advanced search of ("tag" and "database") and all of the results related to the tag database/tag cache.  
Title: Re: Tag Cache renamed
Post by: ilikedirt on November 28, 2006, 06:26:17 PM
I think "database" is just fine and much better than TagCache. I much prefer that to stylo-cryptic names ala RockNavi (which could mean almost anything if you ask me)  or something. Just like Linus said, what would you expect a "database" on a DAP to be? An id3 tag database - just like on any other DAP.
Title: Re: Tag Cache renamed
Post by: bascule on November 29, 2006, 02:33:18 AM
/me  waves white flag

Having now installed the latest CVS version, The Database option does seem to fit well in the menus etc., however, I'm still a bit concerned about differentiation in the documentation, but c'est la vie...
Title: Re: Tag Cache renamed
Post by: Llorean on November 29, 2006, 03:25:18 AM
Being called "Database" now, rather than an explicit metadata/audio related name, perhaps it could also provide advanced features for the playlist catalog (making use of the extended M3U features or comments within them).
Title: Re: Tag Cache renamed
Post by: Mikerman on November 29, 2006, 11:04:34 AM
TagDataBase seems logical to me. It doesn't flow as well at TagCache or TagBase, but there is no mistaking what it is.
Just brainstorming for a moment on something descriptive and yet, yes, catchy--

TagDab?

(I'm not convinced of that myself, but thought it might get some creative juices going.)
Title: Re: Tag Cache renamed
Post by: Sherv on November 29, 2006, 04:00:19 PM
Hahahah, TagDab! A generic "MP3 Database" suits me fine...
Title: Re: Tag Cache renamed
Post by: Mikerman on November 30, 2006, 10:54:46 AM
Hey, just say it 79 times fast and it grows on you ...

;)
Title: Re: Tag Cache renamed
Post by: Genre9mp3 on November 30, 2006, 11:36:42 AM
The only reason I didn't want TagCache to be renamed was that I was used to that name and because I always thought it was smart. I realise though that the name wasn't accurate so the renaming was the right thing to do. Please, no more "catchy" alternatives. I'm sure that TagCache was the best on that aspect. ;)
Title: Re: Tag Cache renamed
Post by: Cassandra on December 01, 2006, 03:33:45 AM
I think I'd be inclined to call it the "Track database", since it contains information about each track on the player.  Simple, functional, and intuitive.